Lewis: “No one can touch” Live development

Actually I don’t much like what you’ve done with the video store, Mr Lewis. It feels kind of wonky. So there.

What about this, though? Eh?

The NXE is beginning to get kind of cluttered. I keep having to scroll past stuff I’m not interested in to get where I want to go.

The Zune Marketplace does seem a bit pony, it just feels a bit odd when you try and use it. Not that I do that often, only when I accidentally hit it when I should have selected the Indie bit looking for new episodes of The Guild.

Oh and was Chris Lewis wearing really big trousers when he stated this? If not it doesn’t count.

Microsoft sound like they’re getting a bit touchy lately.

Thats the biggest concern I have too G1GA. The darn thing has more adverts then the super bowl on TV. But as far as the actual performance … its pretty good.

Facebook/Twitter = worthless for 360.

LastFM at least works quite nicely and make my 360 feel slightly like the media player it should be allowed to be.

I guess us Brits now need an iplayer and 4od app. The Sky player doesn’t interest me in the slightest but free tv does.

Mr Lewis also added “and no one has our system failures”

Pretty sure Steam can touch it. And it’s free. And it makes a lot of money.

PSN is free and that makes a lot of money too. And it hasn’t been down for days at a time due to high demand.

MS are the only ones in fact charging for online gaming on any platform, and it is no doubt making them a lot of money even without the subscriptions. They tried it on PC and no-one would have it, as Steam was offering a better service for free. And on top of all that they litter it with ads. Terrible.

I did have a 360 for a short while, but didn’t want to pay the subscription. I was OK with that then MS decided that Silver members couldn’t have demos for a week after they’d been released for Gold members. I thought yeah, that is taking the piss. If that’s the attitude, I want no part of it. 360 traded in for PS3 games (there were other reasons as well). Never looked back.

“360 traded in for PS3 games (there were other reasons as well). Never looked back.”

Wait a minute! Wait just one minute! The PS3 plays video games?! OH MY GOD. For 2 years now I thought it was only good for playing blu-rays and acting as a book stop for my 360! I’ll be dammed.

You’re about two years too late with that comment, jemerycafe.

@jeremycafe

Well there you go. Learn something new everyday.

jeremycafe do you want to be the next XBOT I own? Don’t be stupid. Your sarcasm isn’t funny and your pathetic excuse of a joke to salvage M$’s fucked up money hungry strategy makes you look like a jackass.

Armitage you’re a smart guy add me on PSN if you want. I’m off to get Dragon Age.

@Razor

That comment was never right anyway, at least for me. Motorstorm, Warhawk and Eye of Judgement were all more interesting to me than say Gears of War, which I found disappointing after actually playing it after all the hype. Those were the games out around that time. One of the other reasons I decided to trade.

Whatever you say. I own both consoles, and I have decided to stick with 360 as I simply haven’t enjoyed the experiences I had with the ps3. Just don’t like the controller anymore and yes, I do enjoy xbox live. 50 bucks of for 13 months? How is that worth complaining about? Ill pay 50 bucks for the much better service I get over xbox live any day. They spent extra resources to bring us something that adds to the life of the 360, they deserve to get paid.

Sorry if I believe in hard work deserves reward.

@jeremycafe

They are making money without the subscriptions, that’s the point. Well, Steam and PSN make a lot of money without the subscriptions, so I would think XBL does as well. You’re not paying for a “better” (ahem, Steam) service. You’re just paying.

That is a matter of opinion of course. I honestly feel the xbox live service is far superior to the PSN service. I know steam is doing well, but I personally have never used it. I still like owning game boxes so I have never given it a shot.

While the PSN Home was an awesome idea, it didnt add to my every day gameplay experience like xbox live does. Again, in my opinion. I will be honest I havent put a game in the ps3 or signed into the home account since Home first released.

@theevilaires

My comment wasnt any more ‘fanboyish’ than your response. I can’t see how I come off as more of a jackass than you though

@jeremycafe
PSN Home launched the open Beta December 2008, so I hardly think you can pass judgement on either Home or PSN or any of the associated services when you haven’t experienced them for nearly a year. Live is the only service that charges you to play online, the fundamental part of an online service, then they have the cheek to plaster adverts all over it.
Apart from the well publicised features that PSN lacks over Live (cross-game chat etc..) i just don’t see how any level-headed sensible person can say that the fee for Live is justified on top of the advertising revenue. P.s i can’t stand the 360 controller.

@jeremycafe

Well you can still buy boxed products that use Steam. Personally I’d prefer it if PC games weren’t dependant on any one service, but for what it does, yeah it can compete with Live, if not better it.

I’d agree about Home though, to be honest, I haven’t gone on there much.

As for still owning a PS3 and not using it.. That’s just mad. Trade it in or get some games for it, there are plenty of good games to choose from. I won’t list games here though as that would just be my preferences.

@jeremycafe, that’s about the fifth time in three days you’ve posted that comment. Change the record or go back under your bridge.

Live is easily the superior of the two, although PSN has got a lot better. Still, advertising cross-game chat as “something to look forward to” in a future firmware update after the console’s been out for three years is a little bit sad, but still, a) better extremely late than never and b) it is free.

And I agree with G1GA that NXE is getting really cluttered and PS3′s dash is looking a better alternative by the minute: it’s much, much cleaner.

To muck in on the “debate,” I haven’t played a console game since Batman came out. PC ftuw!

@Mike

Would you agree though that MS is probably making money from XBL without the subscriptions, as Steam and PSN, for example, do? And therefore subscribers are not paying for that service but only to increase MS’s profits?

you are a tool you idiot. keep feeding M$ ego and soon you’ll be paying to watch the cut scenes in your games.

Seems to be a lot of guessing and assumption here.

@theevilaires

Could you explain the meaning of your name?

Armitage check this out, 1 vs 100 has sprint adverts plastered all over it yet you still need a gold sub to play a supposedly “superior online” community game.

Now how about this. The last time I saw a sprint ad on PSN, they were giving away a free game, Rag Doll Kung Fu to everyone.

The Live community is fill with nothing but losers and 12-14 yr old kids who skip school or are unemployed and play Halo all day.

@Hunam

Not really. Both PSN and Steam have posted massive profits with their non-subscription based services. MS would have to be extremely incompetent to not also make profits from non-subscription income from a similar service.

the-evil-aires

the- because I refer to myself in third person, like the Rock-

evil- to intimidate my opponents in online games

aires- my astrology sign is Aries.

Aside from any “money” issues. XBL is absolutely better than PSN. I can EASILY jump in and out of chat with friends or groups, EASILY see their achievements and comparisons, EASILY send a message… while on PSN.. all of these things take several sub menus and still no out of game chat.

several sub menus to send a message on psn- are you nuts or did you have too many mushrooms.

hit PS button go to friend create message and that’s it.
try using that god awful D-Pad on 360 to type messages fast. It’ll take you easily 3 mins to type one sentence.

Microsoft getting arrogant, Sony were like that with the Ps3 at the start with “the no one can touch us way of thinking” and now they are in 3rd place. Never say never in the gaming business people.

You guys talk about the advertisements like they are in the way. I RARELY even notice them. The only times I do is because its advertising for a game I am interested in so it catches my eye on the way to the my games panel.

I will gladly pay for the service I am receiving. Yes, they don’t need it. But they have every right to charge for it. You could say the SAME EXACT THING for World of Warcraft. Could they not lower their monthly fees with all the money they make outside of subs?

“PSN Home launched the open Beta December 2008, so I hardly think you can pass judgement on either Home or PSN”

How is it that I cannot pass judgment? I tried using the service, and: a. I didnt have an enjoyable experience b. the service had an impact to my gaming experience.
When I looked to buy arcade games, the interface was not appealing to me. I was uncomfortable trying to locate what I was looking for.

So in other words every review out there is null and void because they didnt spend 2 years playing the game? Get real. Yes, I have read improvements have been made, but nothing that makes me say “hmm, I should give it a try again after this amazing change”

I made a sarcastic comment so what, but you all jump on me like I stole your damn candy. I own the console I have every right to give me feedback on it.

As for why I dont trade it in? I want a blu-ray player in my game room. Why lose money by trading it in and getting less than the cost for a new one? [edit: a new one = new blu ray player to replace the ps3]

@theevilaires

Who types messages on xbox? Unless you are saying “inv” or “gtg” I never receive typed out messages. People tend to use the microphones that EVERY xboxlive user owns.

And for the record, I am not defending the tone microsoft used in this post. I am simply responding to the “live sucks because you have to pay” comment.

“@jeremycafe, that’s about the fifth time in three days you’ve posted that comment. Change the record or go back under your bridge.”

Really? Please go back three days and find my comments. I recall commenting on halo, call of duty, and blizzard related topics. Yes, I have made the comment before. But your attack fails.

“@Mike

Would you agree though that MS is probably making money from XBL without the subscriptions, as Steam and PSN, for example, do? And therefore subscribers are not paying for that service but only to increase MS’s profits?”

Tbh, I buy my sub from Ebay at about £22 for 13 months, that’s less than £2 a month. Everything works as it’s supposed to, and it has every feature I want – so “even if” you’re right in saying it’s just lining MS’ pockets, I still think it’s value.

I’ve said this loads of times before, but I’ll say it again: if PSN was as smooth as Live and had all the same features/usability, I’d be happy to pay for it. In fact, I “want” to pay for PSN so that it can be as good as Live.

I love the 360′s web browser…… Way better than the ps3′s

I’ve got a mobile phone, two laptops and a PC for browsing the internet, thanks.

lol you have a point jeremycafe, I’ll shut up now

hey!, people its Seraphemz, he’s back. Whats up long time no speak….on VG247 that is

They fixed the 360 D-Pad, you know…

During all the console remakes I assume…

It’s perfectly alright now.

Srsly.

@Mike

“so “even if” you’re right in saying it’s just lining MS’ pockets, I still think it’s value.”

So you’re happy to pay MS for nothing. At all. Incredible. Just incredible.

You accept that Steam offers a comparable, if not better, service. For free. And they make money of that. A lot of money. But you WANT to pay MS money because.. sorry why? Why do you want to “just line MS’ pockets”? I really don’t get it.

And anyone who defends having adverts on your console is an absolute cretin.

@tea

You believe in star signs?

@jeremycafe, just shut up with the whining when someone takes issue with your comments. If you cannot take it, stop dishing it out. Simple lesson most of us learn before we hit puberty.

And before you say it, pretty much everyone else here is prepared to take as much as they dish out.

@Armitage, you don’t need to believe in them to quote or mention star signs. I regularly use the word “Thursday” (the day on which I was born) but I don’t believe in Thor.

Steam is on PC, not console. I also pay massively inflated Steam prices for games if I want their services. For example: €50 instead of a local price of €35-40.

Also, if a company, any company, delivers a product that I want, that I feel is reasonably priced, and that does was it says, then I feel about £2 a month is absolutely nothing to pay in terms of what I get. It’s less than a packet of cigarettes or a beer.

Why would I care if a company makes money or not? What’s that got to do with anything. Or do you think a company should have it’s income capped?

There are no adverts.

Unless you press ‘A’…

You people are depressing me.

I’m gonna go out and buy some more alcohol now, mkay?

Cort, do me a favor: Copy and paste one time where I whined. What, you want to be able to talk crap about someone and then they don’t have the right to defend themselves?

Grow up dude. I have every right to defend comments I have made and those in response. I responded to your claim, and you failed to back it up. So now i am a whining child because you recite a post from months ago and say I have been posting the same thing daily? And you say I am the one acting like a pubescent kid here? Please, someone back up his comments or tell me im in the wrong for defending microsoft’s right to charge for xbox live and I will go away.

@Scyrenn

Since you’re asking, no it’s not OK.

@Mike

I’m saying you are paying money for nothing, or at least what other providers don’t charge for, as they already make money off their service, and you seemed to be happy with that. Some Steam games are expensive sure, then again so are games on GOD. Steam also offers games at discounts often. Point being the charge to use the service at all. As for Live being superior to PSN, yeah in some ways it certainly is, but then again I know which one has been known to have been down for days at a time due to high demand.

@ Cort

You don’t believe in Thor?

Armitage are you saying xbox live has been down for days? Can I have a link as to when this happened? I have been with service since launch on xbox and I can’t seem to recall a downtime longer than 24 hours which were for updates.

what up TEA..
picking on the bots I see…

NO other service does what XBL does as well…. I use Steam and it’s not even close.. the voice is HORRIBLE and no cross game chat.. I have to run teamspeak to get good voice. People on steam just can’t just into a chat room with friends if they are chatting on game.. stop comparing bananas to oranges.