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IW: No multiplayer reset for anyone who has retail MW2

Monday, 9th November 2009 13:56 GMT By Johnny Cullen

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Infinity Ward’s Rob Bowling has tweeted that anybody who has a retail copy of Modern Warfare 2, instead of a pirate/modded version, their multiplayer stats won’t be reset.

It comes as last week, Bowling said that a full multiplayer reset was on the cards.

Any players who purchased a legit retail copy will not be reset or banned. Only modded / pirate versions will be,” he said.

Bowling also confirmed that anyone who got the game early from some retailers, including GameStop, won’t be punished.

“ANY store selling #MW2 early is in violation of street date. There are no “special permissions”. That said, we won’t punish players for it.”

There you have it.

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  1. Freek

    Why would you only “reset” somebody with a pirated version? Why not just ban all of them and forget the whole reset thing?

    #1 5 years ago
  2. blackdreamhunk

    that is because they can’t I am sure ain a few week pirates will moded the game to play 32 players

    they will must likely have their own dedicated servers

    the only people infinty is punshing is pay consumers

    any real smart pc gamer will not by this game for meny reasons

    by the here is list your going to bet pirates are going to have

    paying consumers will not

    http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=18355113&postcount=3125

    If your smart pc gamer you wouldn’t buy this game for alot of reasons

    #2 5 years ago
  3. G1GAHURTZ

    Is your PC powered by satin?

    #3 5 years ago
  4. Goliath

    On November 2nd, there were 16,000 people online playing the game. I imagine playing the game’s multiplayer with such a large part of the community having already become familiar with the maps and spawns and having access to higher level guns, perks and kill streaks. This is not fair to those who didn’t have early access to the game. Even reseting the game’s multiplayer at midnight, those who had early access would still have a decided advantage by knowing the spawns and maps. I can understand not wanting to penalize those who bought the game legitimately but this is unfair to those who would have waited until launch like myself.

    #4 5 years ago
  5. blackdreamhunk

    pc gamers and modder could do the same but real pc gamers I am sure don’t care at this point.

    infinty ward piss off a hornets nests and after the hype is gone. a huge and long after math will follow

    this just the begining.

    you can kiss sony’s repuation good by

    you can kiss microsoft’s repuation good by

    among other things, I am sure the gaming Industries repuation and creadability will go down the drain.

    #5 5 years ago
  6. Psychotext

    The beginning of over 10 million in sales?
    The beginning of the largest game launch ever?
    The beginning of PC devs dropping dedicated server support?
    The beginning of the end?

    WHAT?

    #6 5 years ago
  7. blackdreamhunk

    Psychotext her is the guy that ran from me the other day

    what you are scared to face me or what

    I have to give creadit and little respect to Gekidami for trying to debate with me and stand up to me when he failed.

    but you your a runner the wrost type at that. You have hot talk and run. You the type of person that likes to start stuff and then run.

    #7 5 years ago
  8. Psychotext

    hahahahahhahhahahHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

    /breathes

    hahahahahhahhahahHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHhahahahahhahhahahHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHhahahahahhahhahahHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
    HAHAHAHAHAH…

    /chokes
    /wipes tear from eye

    11%, 43%, 49%

    #8 5 years ago
  9. Gekidami

    lol
    Failed yet you couldnt give any more counter arugments. You just changed subject then disapeared.

    #9 5 years ago
  10. blackdreamhunk

    any waay there is companies like onlive who will mustly pick alot of gamers.

    I would be suprised if more companies starting os and market target pc gamers.

    the after math is huge, there is alot of consumers who are not happy.

    I am sure EA will be picking tons of gamers for battle field.

    with the best modders and pc gamer behide EA. their games will get even better that is if EA builds on the communtiy that actvision now lost.

    nothing happens over night give things time. I am sure word has spread yet.

    #10 5 years ago
  11. blackdreamhunk

    do you want another licking

    http://www.vg247.com/2009/11/06/police-arrest-a-modern-warfare-2-cyber-pirate-in-miami/#comments

    #11 5 years ago
  12. theevilaires

    this is fucking stupid choice. I’ve seen many euros on my list playing this and they have a great head start. This isn’t fair.

    #12 5 years ago
  13. Gheritt White

    Enough is enough. No more troll feeding. PLEASE.

    #13 5 years ago
  14. blackdreamhunk

    the game devs and actvision don’t care if it’s fair or not.

    they only care about money. These big companies they don’t care they just want your money. If you give them a chance they would love to constrol your gaming.

    I only support game devs and commpanies tha care.

    In my life time I have never ever seen a business take dump on their paying consumers ever.

    #14 5 years ago
  15. Psychotext

    I’ve always wondered what the effects of back alley brain surgery were. Wonder no longer!

    #15 5 years ago
  16. G1GAHURTZ

    Can’t you stay off the crack for ONE DAY, bdh?

    #16 5 years ago
  17. theevilaires

    It doesn’t matter I’m elite in COD. I’ve owned guys that were 10th prestige lvl 55 while I was only at 3rd prestige lvl 2.

    #17 5 years ago
  18. Psychotext

    It’s like you just spoke a completely different language TEA. :D

    #18 5 years ago
  19. blackdreamhunk

    here check out these commets and links and see how the gaming Industry is

    http://kotaku.com/5399116/a-week-in-comments

    http://www.joystiq.com/2007/11/30/rumor-gamespots-editorial-director-fired-over-kane-and-lynch-rev/

    http://www.destructoid.com/ubisoft-demands-high-assassin-s-creed-2-review-score–154456.phtml

    whole entire genres are going to be lost or only found with indie game devs now

    here is a link about single player rpg’s. If your an rpg game lover this affects you.

    http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3176786

    http://www.n4g.com/industrynews/News-423634.aspx

    like I said there will be an after math.

    #19 5 years ago
  20. G1GAHURTZ

    Pfft. You’re not l337 enough, PT.

    You need to step out of the comfort zone of single player games to know what we’re talking about.

    #20 5 years ago
  21. theevilaires

    yea it’s called I’m pumped and ready to kick some ass midnight Nov 10, 2009 and beyond. Screw the SP I’m headed straight for MP….its looking like 2007 all over again :D

    #21 5 years ago
  22. blackdreamhunk

    be pomped all you want, after the high will see what hapens

    agin i am not faze by all the hype, it’s hot air to me.

    I am not a now now person I am a long term person.

    #22 5 years ago
  23. Psychotext

    lmao

    #23 5 years ago
  24. G1GAHURTZ

    Are you getting both versions, tea?

    If not, I probably won’t get the PS3 one for a while. At least a couple of months probably…

    #24 5 years ago
  25. theevilaires

    Shatner we all know you’re a long term person and when Garratt pema bans the BDH account you’ll come back as MarioKing…VG247 most rabid Nintendo fanboy.

    #25 5 years ago
  26. blackdreamhunk

    that good for you :) it still does not change the fact that publishers are losing money and consoles are on a decline.

    acvision maybe having their hey day at the pc gamers expense.

    It’s pc gamers that made call duty not console gamers
    it’s the modders and pc gamers who share their ideas with infinty ward.

    they can now kiss that good buy

    the long term affects are going to be huge.

    agin I can see alot of companies becoming like this soon.

    http://kotaku.com/5371762/japanese-market-continues-to-experience-shrinkage

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/gamesblog/2009/sep/30/games-gameculture

    I am sure other publisher are not happy losing money right now.

    It does not change the fact that console gaming is a burning platform right now.

    #26 5 years ago
  27. Psychotext

    Wow… breaking news, this just in:

    11%, 43%, 49%

    #27 5 years ago
  28. blackdreamhunk

    Psychotext

    http://www.vg247.com/2009/10/27/chart-shows-september-console-sales-for-2007-2009-wii-tops/

    I have more too. do you really want me to show them to you.

    #28 5 years ago
  29. Artheval_Pe

    “Any players who purchased a legit retail copy will not be reset or banned. Only modded / pirate versions will be,”

    Is he stupid or what ? What’s the difference between a modded and a legit retail copy for them ?

    What is his problem with mods ? Does this guy at least knows that multiplayer modern warfare has been invented by a mod back in 1999 ? A mod that was called counter strike.

    #29 5 years ago
  30. theevilaires

    I’m going to get both versions plus I’m gonna pa….pa…pay for x…xbo…xbox live! agHHH! that hurts saying that! I want to play with you and your clan while enjoying custom soundtracks playing MP for a chance :D

    #30 5 years ago
  31. Psychotext

    @bdh: I’d ask if you were that stupid, but I guess there’s an obvious answer to that.

    You do realise that console sales go through a cycle as cost cuts are introduced and they hit certain price points? Not to mention the fact that there’s a natural sales decay as you move through the generation (for example, the PS2, xbox and gamecube had their highest sales in their second and third years).

    Actually, why am I bothering? There’s no way you could possibly understand or take on board anything other than what’s already in your head. You’ve proven that time and time again.

    #31 5 years ago
  32. blackdreamhunk

    here is the state of them consoles

    http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2009/05/e3-predictions/

    http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/retailing/article6628517.ece

    http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2009/06/pachter/

    http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/consoles-could-soon-become-niche-products-playfish

    http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/31/video-game-makers-seeing-red/

    http://www.istockanalyst.com/article/viewarticle/articleid/3277020

    http://www.edge-online.com/news/japanese-ps3-sales-tumble-ahead-of-slim-launch

    this is before the ression by the way.

    see what console game devs are trying to do is froce pc gamers into buying consoles

    also take a good look at dlc and the amount of hardware consoles are costing you.

    On top of that look at the cost of those games yyou are paying.

    howmeny consoles have you used so fr to play a game, it all adds up.

    #32 5 years ago
  33. Psychotext

    Do you even read your own articles… half of them disagree with the points you’ve been making. The other half are barely relevant.

    #33 5 years ago
  34. blackdreamhunk

    maybe you should look at them Psychotex you know my threads are so hot. it’s because i have proof.

    people don’t like truth :)oh some of those links are videos too :)

    #34 5 years ago
  35. Psychotext

    You mean proof like the financial reports you keep ignoring… rather than the youtube vids and random news stories you like to link?

    I mean look at that last one ffs… “PS3 sales tumble before slim launch”. Can you not wrap your little brain around that? You know, given that a week later the PS3 had its best sales ever, beating even the launch of the console originally.

    #35 5 years ago
  36. G1GAHURTZ

    COOL!!!!

    That’s amazing news, tea!

    I’m sure you’ll love it!

    #36 5 years ago
  37. OlderGamer

    Your going on LIVE Tea? Nice. Now I have heard it all.

    #37 5 years ago
  38. blackdreamhunk

    you know what is the best part I am have not even gotten sarted :)

    I have not talk about companies such as onlive yet

    oh check this article out talk about major problems and the after math here

    http://www.gamasutra.com/blogs/DerekSmart/20091108/3503/ESD_Publishers_Boycott_Valves_Steam_Service_Seriously.php

    #38 5 years ago
  39. theevilaires

    On second thought I think I’m just going to play a little bit of MW2 like a day because this is a great opportunity to catch the guy I’m competing for trophies with. There’s a trophy in KZ2 that you have to be in the top 1% for the week rankings.

    While everyone is busy playing MW2 I can clean up quick and get the platinum in KZ2. Plus I’ll be working on GTA4,BFBC,and R2. I might not really get into MW2 because I’m such a completist and I must finish all those backlog games I have in my collection in order to be have peace of mind while playing MW2.

    #39 5 years ago
  40. Detale

    His threads are hot and his words are solid, BDH is on a roll.

    #40 5 years ago
  41. OlderGamer

    @G1GA maybe he will. But I recently went the other way(not as it sounds actualy). But i am in the process of jumping to PS3 from xbox. I found the experience to be less then enjoyable. The biggest culpret? That darn PS3 gamepad. I know the controls and feel of the xb360 one. I keep getting the buttons messed up(in a game that I played a lot on LIVE, now playing on PSN). I keep getting so ticked i am about ready to toss the controller thro the TV. I hope Tea doesn’t have the same trouble.

    #41 5 years ago
  42. blackdreamhunk

    here let check some game devs or company and their consumer sevrive I am going to head over to lucas arts fourms and check their service.

    I was there last night check this out

    http://forums.lucasarts.com/thread.jspa?threadID=140878&tstart=0

    this how consumer service is alot about

    how about we take a good look at E3

    http://downloadablesuicide.com/2009/07/16/pc-gaming-its-problems-stem-from-mistreatment/

    #42 5 years ago
  43. G1GAHURTZ

    Yeah, the PS3 pad takes some getting used to, but you get used to it after a while. I find that i’m probably slightly less accurate for FPS aiming, because I’m used to my thumb facing forwards instead of at an angle, but it’s only fractions of a second’s difference.

    #43 5 years ago
  44. blackdreamhunk

    I am not going to buy any more sonys product be it dvd player or tv.

    they have lost my trust

    microsoft on the other hand I have to buy their dumb OS, if only there was more companies that made OS

    however when onlive comes I am going to jump ship.

    the ammount of money I spend on hardware could be use to on software.

    #44 5 years ago
  45. theevilaires

    your comment is a little confusing O.G. You don’t like the DS3 or Duke3?

    The only problem I have with the DS3 is that my R2 BUTTON spring must have broke and now its super sensitive.

    The 360 pad is ok. It feels good with Forza3 and FPS so I’ll get use to it. I just hate that xbox button in the middle and sending text messages are a pain.

    #45 5 years ago
  46. Psychotext

    Best way to send messages on the 360 is either with an attached keyboard or using the chatpad (which is actually pretty good). I tend to use a keyboard on my ps3 and the chatpad on my 360.

    #46 5 years ago
  47. blackdreamhunk

    here check this out you flight sims that is popular on pc.

    well it’s gone this how much microsft cares about their fanbase

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfTCll7XOV4

    like have said before sony and microsft entering the gaming business is the worst thing that happen to gaming.

    I respect nintendo and sega alot more than sony and mircosoft.

    there is one good thing about the consle generation it has showen me the game devs not to buy from in the future.

    oh by the way lets not talk about game for windows what a joke.

    #47 5 years ago
  48. OlderGamer

    I am just having trouble adjusting to the PS3s pad. I am strongly considering a XCM Cross Fire Convertor so I can use my xb360 pad on the PS3. But in the end I might just stay on LIVE. Hard to say right now, I have a few months till my Gold account is up to decide. But I am looking at options.

    And for goodness sake BDH, give a rest will you?

    #48 5 years ago
  49. G1GAHURTZ

    Yeah, I have a chat-pad for my 360.

    It’s much better for messages and entering codes.

    #49 5 years ago
  50. freedoms_stain

    OK bdh, I decided I’d humour you and actually read and reply to each of your links. Are ya ready?

    http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2009/05/e3-predictions/ was a podcast about E3, about the only thing you can construe here as supporting your point is that they say there will be no new consoles in 2009. No shit dude, the current consoles are still being pushed by the devs, why would anyone release a new console when their existing ones have barely reached their technological, creative and productive peak?

    http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/retailing/article6628517.ece – a piece on the gaming industry in the recession, new game sales down at retail, used sales and online sales up.
    What is this telling me exactly? That the recession is affecting industry, fucking shocker man. SHOCKER!

    http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2009/06/pachter/ A Pachter prediction piece in which he SPECULATES this may be the last traditional console cycle. That’s pure speculation, but hey, check out this quote from the piece:
    “Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 still have massive room for growth over the next few years”
    Well fuck me sideways if that suggests consoles are not in decline.

    http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/consoles-could-soon-become-niche-products-playfish – This is a piece of absolute retardation to be perfectly honest which tries to spin that consoles are on the way out because of the growth in “social games” on Facebook which apparently consoles don’t provide. No shit Sherlock, just because the casual audience enjoy a bit of tetris on Facebook doesn’t mean the core gamer is going to give up their console style games. The day I see HD graphics and decent FPS or RPG gameplay on Facebook I’ll concede defeat bdh, until then, get the FUCK out.

    http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/31/video-game-makers-seeing-red/ – yo Dawg, it’s another recession piece, except this one is slanting towards digital distribution, it only has it’s fucking figures well and truly fucked though “A second challenge is that downloadable games cost about $10″ where the fuck is this guy shopping? Thus far Downloadable games tend to be equivalent or MORE expensive than boxed. Hmm, I feel this guys credibility coming under fire.

    http://www.istockanalyst.com/article/viewarticle/articleid/3277020 – so who didn’t know games were expensive to make this generation? That hasn’t stopped plenty of million selling games being released for consoles. It’s harder to make money, but it’s still being made. You need to release an AAA title to turn a profit, is that actually such a bad thing? This dude points out that the console business model isn’t great this gen, but he isn’t heralding their death just yet, or in fact at all.

    http://www.edge-online.com/news/japanese-ps3-sales-tumble-ahead-of-slim-launch – yes, PS3 sales in Japan collapsed the week before the release of the slim, then the week after the release of the slim ps3 sales sky-rocketed. This is a complete irrelevance

    You failed hard man.

    #50 5 years ago
  51. blackdreamhunk

    here is my favrite link right here

    http://bashandslash.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=787&Itemid=111

    #51 5 years ago
  52. G1GAHURTZ

    Nooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!

    We were all doing so well at ignoring him…

    #52 5 years ago
  53. theevilaires

    Ummm I don’t want to seem like an asshole or anything but did you guys own a PS1 and PS2. Sony pretty much dominated both generations and most of the best games were exclusive to their platform. So using the Dual shock controller should be like second nature. Did you guys never own those consoles or did you just suffer through it?

    #53 5 years ago
  54. Gekidami

    Dont waste your time FS, you could sit there all day disproving everything he says to the point where he makes excuses of ‘being done’ to get out of it or just changes subject because he cant think of any more counter arguments.

    The next day he’d have forgotten it all anyway. He’s abit dense you see…

    #54 5 years ago
  55. OlderGamer

    Oh I own’d both. But I played on Saturn, Dreamcast and Xbox. Exception of Saturn, I was playing online when you PS guys where playing with yourselves ;)

    #55 5 years ago
  56. theevilaires

    lol it was funny that we were having a good discussion while he was the guy in the background going “hey look at me!” “sony sucks!” “M$ does too!” “PC gaming ruuuuules!” :D

    #56 5 years ago
  57. OlderGamer

    I am not one to ask use of the ban hammer, but BDH makes a solid case.

    #57 5 years ago
  58. blackdreamhunk

    this coming from group mintornity ahahahaha people are smart tand they are gong to talk about this lol

    look at all the hot air

    I have the perfect link for ths

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VYJy05T70o

    they hoof and poof hot air ahahahahahah with little to no proof.

    #58 5 years ago
  59. Gheritt White

    The Xbox S-type controller was one of the main reasons I jumped from a PS2 to an Xbox and never looked back (apart from for God of War and Wipeout). I’ve never particularly enjoyed using a DualShock.

    #59 5 years ago
  60. Psychotext

    I used the dualshock style controller plenty… and it works. But that’s not to say there aren’t plenty of improvements that could be made to it.

    That said, I can’t say I really have a controller preference this gen, other than where either the dpad or the triggers come in.

    #60 5 years ago
  61. blackdreamhunk

    I am sure the cost is going to go up on consoles too.

    by the way I wish sony and microsoft luck on figthing them hackers

    http://baxy-z.com/site_content.php?subaction=showfull&id=1257789289&archive=&start_from=&ucat=1&

    oh at the other poster later on today I will take a look at your links with E3 and stuff.

    #61 5 years ago
  62. reask

    I find both OK.
    If I am on the mates PS3 I am into it fairly quick.
    In fact I find in lots of games the buttons you use are identical.

    Only difference is 0 instead of B or whatever.
    I hope I made some sense there. /reads again.
    Yep I understand what I mean. :)

    #62 5 years ago
  63. blackdreamhunk

    here check this out this going very bad on the gaming industry infinty ward you are sooo done ahahahahahahaha

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8342589.stm

    #63 5 years ago
  64. Gekidami

    Main difference is the placement of the left analogue and D-pad.

    #64 5 years ago
  65. G1GAHURTZ

    Yeah, that’s the only major difference really, other than the general size and comfort, but those come down to personal preference.

    #65 5 years ago
  66. OlderGamer

    I also find the shape of the ps pads to be a problem. They don’t fit into my palm as nicly as i would like. I end up having to up my fingers resting on the shoulder buttons to steady the pad. And yea, the twin anolog sticsk being close together bother me too. I play it, but it cramps my hand before too long.

    #66 5 years ago
  67. JonFE

    I wish I could mod a DS3 into a x360 pad case. Everything on the latter feels more natural to me…

    #67 5 years ago
  68. G1GAHURTZ

    I’m sure that you can get mods that let you use each pad on the other console…

    #68 5 years ago
  69. OlderGamer

    If you have the cash, look into the XCM Cross Fire. It allows you to use your 360 pad on your PS3. Has a lot of cool features too, like maping the layout, autofire, and other stuff. I want one if I am going to use the PS3 as a main gaming system.

    #69 5 years ago
  70. Blerk

    Not quite as simple as that though, is it? The sticks and triggers are quite different in travel, response, etc. and the games on each platform will be tweaked to respond best to that specific kind of pad.

    #70 5 years ago
  71. OlderGamer

    The reviews on the XCM thingie are all good. And I beielve they have one for both systems. I haven’t tried it yet, its 100usd, and I am switching to get away from 50usd/yr on LIVE. Makes no sense to spend two years worth of LIVE play on an adapter so i can control my PS3 games better. So I am on the fence on the whole thing. Just saying XCM could be an option for some folks.

    #71 5 years ago
  72. Blerk

    HOWFUCKINGMUCH?! :shock:

    #72 5 years ago
  73. Gekidami

    http://www.extreme-mods.com/XCM-Cross-Battle-Adapter-Plus-for-Playstation-3-p/ps3-xcmcrossbattleadapterplus.htm

    45$ There. Special offer instead of 70$ though that version wont work on a Slim apparently.

    #73 5 years ago
  74. JonFE

    OlderGamer, thanks for the suggestion. Of course paying $85 for the privilege is a lot of money, but it’s good to have the option.

    One thing though: quick digging around the website mentions using your PS3 pad on your x360, not the other way around. Are you sure about it?

    +1 @ Blerk, the voice or reason :)

    EDIT: Thanks Gekidami as well :)

    #74 5 years ago
  75. OlderGamer

    There ya go, thanks Gek. Looks like you have to make sure you get the right one for your needs. Also makes me worried that Sony/MS will do something in an update to lock out the converter.

    #75 5 years ago
  76. OlderGamer

    um, let me take a look. Could be the pain meds ;)

    Trust me, I am using a 360 on 360 and ps3 on ps3. Meant to establish that anyways.

    #76 5 years ago
  77. Gekidami

    Cant imagine them doing anything like that. I’m fairly interested myself though i’m not sure if that site will ship to Europe. Also that one dosnt work on Slim, right now i’m using the launch 60GB but who knows in the future; It might die then i’ll pick up a Slim and the thing wont work.

    Also worth pointing out is that you can use the things to give normal pads turbo fire.

    #77 5 years ago
  78. OlderGamer

    I found one on ebay awhile back. Might be an option.

    #78 5 years ago
  79. freedoms_stain

    OlderGamer, if you’ve got a spare $750 on you you can always have Ben Heck throw you together one of these: http://benheck.com/11-29-2008/ps360-controller-from-dual-shock-3#more-453

    #79 5 years ago
  80. OlderGamer

    Holy hell, lol. Thats a nice piece. But wow 750$? Makes that XCM thing look like a steal. As big as the PS3 and xb360 are I am amazed really that some 3rd party hasn’t thrown together a pad like that, but ya know, with prices gamers could afford.

    #80 5 years ago
  81. blackdreamhunk

    I have game pad already it’s high tech I pad about $100 for it

    It’s made by logictech for the pc.

    nothing beats mouse and key barord.

    #81 5 years ago
  82. freedoms_stain

    The comments suggest it used to run you $400, but the post lists $750, recession must be squeezing his balls :-p

    Saitek do a range of controllers that allow you to switch the left thumb stick and D-pad, but like most Saitek products, they’re a pile of crap.

    #82 5 years ago

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