Gearbox calls Valve’s refusal to work with PS3 “foolish”

I agree, but then i’ve always thought Valve were sort of douchebags.

Fight Fight Fight!

Randy, you’re pretty mouthy given you started off developing expansions for the Half Life series. Where exactly would you be without Valve?

That’s right, no-where.

(Amusingly, that’s where Gearbox got their first taste of console work too)

please, no good game dev with the right mind would want to have bigger production costs.

the fact is pc gaming is the easiest platform to make games on.

the only reason xbox gets vavle games is because it’s easy to port from pc to xbox 360

vavle is a pc gamer and love pc gamers

if the ps3 could be be perted from pc to ps3 you might get vale to port the games.

So you’re not allow to criticise someone you onced worked for Psycho?

by the way how do i know this vavle has already said why he does not like the ps3.

also the production costs to make a ps3 is alot bigger.

Sure its easy to port from PC to Xbox, but I bet on PS3 you could have better results if these lazy asses can do something good. I respect Valve, but they need to do something more then just simple ports. What the fuck they get paid for anyways?

bigger production costs

do you know consoles already have high production costs it’s why console game devs are goming bankuprt.

@Gekidami: Of course, but there’s ways of doing it without coming across as a cock.

Are you greatly surprised that got its start from doing expansions and console ports of PC games has this opinion? Ignoring the fact that they’re now a competitor of Valve (and not a particularly good one). This is just cheap PR for Borderlands.

@NoxNoctisUmbra: Valve don’t have any PS3 devs. The shoddy port was the result of EA’s devs.

Not only that I think that vavle worked at microsoft at one point. I am not 100% I read that on a fourm.

vavle is a pc gamer all the way.

only vg247 can confirm that.

He has a point though, now that the Ps3 has started outselling the 360 im pretty sure Valve will support it. They will look at the 2m sales Killzone 2 did and think there is a market on the Ps3 for fps.

Randy Pitchford needs to shut the fuck up. He has a hard on for Valve of late and he’s beginning to sound disgruntled. Valve is an independent company. Who the fuck is he to tell them how to run their business. What Gabe said at the time was what every developer was thinking, he just wasn’t very eloquent in his comments and he’s since apologized. I don’t see Randy calling out other independent developers for choosing to work on a single platform.

I don’t think so Hindle. First the PS3 still has a long way to go before it pulls even with already established xbox user base. Let alone pull ahead. these things don’t happen over night. I personialy think that long before PS3 is the dominate system, MS and Nintendo will both be pushing new systems. Not too sure how the projected 10 yr lifespan of PS3 will factor into that.

And I think if the market where to nose dive for the xbox, in terms of market share and potiential game sales. Valve would simply stop porting to consoles. Right now is the perfect storm for PC devs. They release on PC AND xbox to maximize their sales. I really don’t think Epic or Valve or anyother PC-centric dev is going to do PS3 games.

I buy all my PC games from Steam and wouldn’t want it any other way. No disks to lose/scratch and I can install as many timees as I want for life. Can’t think of any reason to buy from a store.

sorry kill zone 2 only sold 700 000 not 2 mill

yeah valve is pretty lazy,I hope HL2 ep.3 comes to PS3 tho

I can see me doing that in the very near future MushroomStamp. With very few exceptions.

well im glad someone finally said it

crysis made more than kill zone 2 by the way.

blackdreamhung-

It’s 700k if you stop counting after the first couple of months.

KZ2 has sold 2 million BDH.

do you have a link for that, from the links and info I have seen they have only sold 700 000.

sorry I maybe wrong but you have to have proof for me to beleave you.

http://www.ps3center.net//news/3946/killzone-2-hits-2-million-sold/

k thank you i was wrong.

How is 6m more of a established fanbase oldergamer? The console has been out one year more then the Ps3 and is only 6m ahead.

Plus add the fact the Ps3 was way more expensive then the 360 at the start but Microsoft didnt take advantage of it.

The Ps3 has GOW 3, GT 5, and FF 13 in japan all massive system sellers dude. The Ps3 will easly eat away most of that 6m by next March alone. What the Wii has sold is more of a established userbase in my opinion.

Its where the 360 should be…

Wouldnt be the first time.

In my opinion the 360 peaked when Halo 3 was released as that was one massive game. Sony have got those kind of games coming very soon

I’ve lost count of the number of times people have said to wait for X huge selling game on the PS3. Let it happen, then talk about it.

(It’ll be GT5 btw)

Yep and Gow 3 wont do huge numbers but will sell round gears of war level of sales i think

news up date for vg247

actvision blizzards finacl report is in

http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/prnewswire/200911051614PR_NEWS_USPR_____LA05042.htm

not sure if it’s true needs to be confirmed.

Is this the same bloke who said Steam was taking advantage of Indie devs not so long ago? As somebody said, he really seems to have a hard one for Valve these past weeks!

I’m really no great fan of Valves output, so find it hard to get worked up over them not appearing on PS3. The quality of the Orange Box port has been exaggerated waaaay beyond the reality of the situation though (it’s perfectly playable and they patched out the major frame rate issues), so I don’t see why EA don’t just put their PS3 team on a port of Left 4 Dead and make some easy money, unless of course Valve are explicitly blocking this, which would be a stupid as well as shitty move.

Gabe Newell is an MS fanboy though, plain and simple, and I just tune out when he starts talking.

not all pc gamers like steam, just like not all pc gamers like mmo’s or web based games.

if you ask pc gamers they will tell you what they like and don’t like.

alot of pc gamers are not vocal too.

you will find them playing games, they become vocal when they don’t like some thing.

“unless of course Valve are explicitly blocking this”

Given most people seem to think they’re responsible for the (admittedly overstated) poor performance of the Orange Box on the PS3, I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s the case.

I happen to like Valve and personally think that Naughty Dog is foolish for not publishing on the Xbox 360.

Naughty Dog are owned by Sony, they are APART of Sony numbnut. Valve are owned by no one.

He should have said Insomniac.

Sony own all of Insomniacs IP’s.

Wouldn’t have stopped them doing something like Left 4 Dead across multiple platforms.

They’d have to make a new game then strike a deal with a brand new publisher that isnt Sony.
Not really comparable to Valve who are already under EA’s wing when it comes to the console versions of their games.

Either way. Valve only makes games for the PC and the Xbox 360 because it’s pretty close to programming for the PC. They’ve mentioned time and time again that they don’t have a big enough team to focus on the PS3. It’s not that they “hate” the PS3, they just don’t have the resources to release stuff for it.
Valve let a 3rd party developer create the Orange Box port. It was a disaster, and they’ve made a point of not having anything else ported to the PS3. They can’t guarantee that it will be of good quality if someone else does it and as they don’t have the necessary resources to do it in house they just won’t do it.

I’ve seen it posted on GAF, now here, and I feel that I need to correct it. Newell didn’t apologize, not on his comments about the PS3, at least. He made it absolutely clear that his apology was for the OB PS3 port. Every ‘hopeful’ PS3-related quote from Valve has been from Doug. Newell will never respect the PS3 no matter the install base, and thats fine, but he shouldn’t get an all encompassing pass for saying sorry.

@ Galactic_Barret

You have to understand how Gabe feels about the PS3 and initially, many developers felt this way; it’s just that Gade wasn’t very eloquent in expressing how he felt. The PS3 is a great piece of hardware but not for how developers make games. Sony’s engineers built the hardware and developers were basically asked to figure it out themselves. Asking developers to relearn the way they did their jobs was arrogant and Kaz admit as much when he said Sony didn’t do enough to support developers in understanding the platform in the beginning. Dennis Doak basically said the same thing after Haze launched but the game bombed so he just came off as bitter.

valve are microsoft through and through, its no wonder they find the japanese way of programming/development strange/complicated.

Given it is overly complicated and daft but thats just the way the japanese roll.

LMAO, when Gabe Newell makes a game that can match UC2 in every way then his opinion matters. Until then who gives a fuck what he says. He’s a coward for letting a machine beat a so called man.

Ooh – handbags!

@ theevilaires

Half Life far surpasses Uncharted 2. In narrative, gameplay, pacing and overall industry impact. Uncharted 2 isn’t the be all and end all of gaming. Despite its awe inspiring graphics and impressive presentation, anybody born in the 1980s has seen the story and pop culture, action adventure archetypical characters in every entertainment medium from Tomb Raider to Indiana Jones to Romancing the Stones.

Um excuse you, first of all I played Half life on the PS2. what fucking narrative you talking about? It was a damn FPS game that felt like a pc on a console (which it was a port yes I know) There was nothing special about that game really. Yea maybe at that time it was because I owned the game for years on PS2 and never played it until a couple of weeks before O.B. came out on my PS3 because I wanted to know the story.

Its not all that great dude. At least not to me. I got stuck at the last level and haven’t picked it up since because Gabe Newell disgusts me to be honest. I was going to pick up Half Life 2 for the original XBOX because it was exclusive and praised to be the best FPS ever. Then I heard about the O.B. so I waited….to only find out the game has frame rate issues. So I just lost interest in anything Valve does.

Half life 2 may have a better, deeper story that UC2, but that wasn’t my point. Valve won’t touch PS3 because they claim its not efficient to program for (cough-Tomonobu Itagaki-cough) but yet devs like Naughty Dog and Guerilla have pulled out amazing things from the PS3. So its not a lack of resources but to me it seems like a lack of will. Hence my statement: Machine beat the man.

I’ll go back and finish Half life 1 then play Half life 2 when I get the time. I’ll come back and let you know my impressions also.

Half Life 2 craps all over Half Life 1.

You know what even though I can’t stand Valve I’ll make a steam account then buy the Half Life games and play it on my laptop while commuting or something on the train. I’ll even use my 360 controller while playing it

Playing PC shooters with a pad is just wrong, man! You’ll incur the wrath of BDH.