Oh @Psychotext

unchrat 2 is junk compared to pc gaming games

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCkWKBmUCTQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkoi6WCCJHY

More and more developers are putting more and more of their time and resources into consoles and moving away from the PC market simply because if they don’t they could end up bankrupt. The days of the PC exclusive are coming to a close.

here i have more links more proof

http://blogs.ft.com/techblog/2009/06/top-execs-abandon-consoles-for-social-gaming/

http://uk.games.ign.com/articles/103/1036254p1.html

http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20090506005551&newsLang=en

http://www.istockanalyst.com/article/viewarticle/articleid/3386904

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/retailing/article6628517.ece

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/consoles-could-soon-become-niche-products-playfish

http://www.warcry.com/articles/view/interviews/6413-Sean-McCann-The-Rise-of-the-Online-Gaming-PC

http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/31/video-game-makers-seeing-red/

http://www.mediapost.com/publications/?fa=Articles.showArticle&art_aid=108747

this just some links I can find on the net

pc gaming is the must play platform in the world

http://blog.nielsen.com/nielsenwire/consumer/world-of-warcraft-playstation-2-continue-most-played-gaming-trend/

David: Graphics are depending on the person. To me KZ2 looked nice, but Crysis nips it by its sheer size and view distance. So graphics are in the eye of the beholder, for instance, I think the graphics to Baldurs Gate II demolishes the graphics for Final Fantasy VII, but thats my opinion.

As for multi-platform games, of course consoles are going to sell more than the PC because Sony and MS give the company money to help develop the game. Plus, MS and Sony have dedicated marketing departments for the 360 and PS3 whilst the PC has, who? The PC has no central source, whilst consoles do.

PC gaming dead since PS2? Sorry, disagree, due to the cyclic nature of console lifespan. Again, this came about because Sony pumped money into various companies to make games for it. Simple as that.

PC gaming, overall, is not dying and never has been, but it is changing, and moving to a more digital solution whilst consoles still heavily rely on retail sales, and thats what people see on the store shelves.

PC gaming has been dead since the PS2 came out. Multi – platform games ALWAYS sell better on consoles. Console exclusives ALWAYS sell better than PC exclusives – how do you explain that, moron?

http://downloadablesuicide.com/2009/07/16/pc-gaming-its-problems-stem-from-mistreatment/

lets trash talk pc gamers and pc gaming!!!

oh one more thing brink should take a good look at sins of the solar empire and look how well that game sold.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xY-NSNhgydY

then there is stalker clear skies as well.

game play sells not voice or acting.

what would say to will wrights spore.

If any thing I think there is alot of pc game haters in the Industry!

(See posts by Kalain for how it should be done)

One thing I will be waiting for will be the sales figures for Starcraft II and Diablo III. Those, I can probably estimate, will sell millions comparable to those AAA console titles.

As for PC being niche, I can agree and disagree. Several ideas for games were created by the PC modding community. Counter Strike, for instance, was a massive influence on the team based FPS, along with Tribes. This echoes through to the consoles also. But, on agreement, there are several niche games on the PC which you won’t get on consoles.

I, like you, am a PC gamer first, but I also play on my Wii and 360, along with my son. I enjoy the games on all platforms, but PC Gaming just seems more fulfilling and satisfying than console gaming. I’m yet to see a Planescape: Torment beater on a console (and thats getting rereleased for the XP/Vista/Windows 7 crowd YaY!!).

So scary.

And secondly, NO IT’S NOT THE SAME AS A FUCKING PC (spit) BECAUSE… UM… er… well, I forgot.

MACS RULE, YEAH!

/cries

Blizzard have a golden goose called Wow that lets them do what they want.

Valve release their games on consoles, and have a digital delivery business.

Crytek threw in the towel after Crysis now gone consoles too.

iD is multi-platform too.

Epic saw which way the wind was blowing a long time ago.

That leaves east European/Russian devs making some PC exclusives but not quite to AAA standards. Along with a whole bunch of amateur/small time devs which isnt a bad thing as long as your not hung up on graphics.

Even Derek Smart who is a huge PC fanboy indie dev has admitted the above on RPS and his own blog.

There is no money in putting the PC first or exclusive to AAA game developers and even higher definition graphics are too expensive to make for solely PC audience so the platform cannot use technology as a get out jail card.

Many if not most of todays top western devs started on PC.

Bungie
Epic
Valve
Lionhead
Bestheda
I could go on and on, actualy I could. The list is HUGE. I even remember playing some of the first EA sports games, on my Commador64.

Japanesse(eastern game dvs) are almost 100% console/handhelds. Tho Korea and a couple other eastern nations knock out some reasonable modern day PC devs. Fact, Perfect World is played by more people daily then WoW. Fact WoW has over 11million gamers.

Thats a lot of people.

Most of the now top selling Xbox360 games are either PC Ports, updated/former PC franchises, or developed by former PC game makers.

More Japanese made console games are made for PS3 then for xb360(even more are made for handhelds, but anyways). JP games sell better on PS3 then xb360. PS3 sells better in UK(perportionatlysp?) then it does in NA.

More PC gamers play in NA then in UK(again %wise).

Summery(ies)

Most console games come from PC roots.

PC gaming has made a come back from the brink of near death a few years ago.

Steam, D2D, and others like them are HUGE.

Media, Walmart, Game, Gamestop, and other big box stores want you to play Consoles NOT PCs. They can’t control the marketing of games(downloaded/played) on PCs. PC gamers do not need/buy controllers(upto four per system, at 40usd each, at 20% mark up, thats…why), they do not need memory cards, points cards, to replace/upgrade or buy hadware, they do not buy music games and the lusterious plastic instruments that go along with them.

In many ways Console gamers are like sheep, hearded together, easily convinced, and sheerd for every penny they are worth.

JP used revived the console market, owned the console market, and then abandoned the console market in favor of trendy JP handhelds. Anyone wanna link up and play some DSi?

Consoles are cheaper then PC.

Games are faster and easier to get into on consoles.

Consoles games don’t have driver issues.

Console gamers are mostly younger. PC gamers older.

Modern day consoles are chopped up PCs. They play games, they play online, they have social networking, they play movies, music, surf the web etc.

In the not so distant future consoles will no longer exsist. Neither will full blown PCs either for that matter. We will likly have something like a simple Notebook. For games will be delievered via a simple interface driven by some version of cloud tech. No more over priced PCs, no more system to have to own.

Kinda silly fighting about it. No reason you can enjoy both types of games. But then again the fighting is fun to watch.

I am sure they never got there money back, oh wait there hoping more people buy their over price hardware.

yea empire tatol war with very little marketing and cuting edge gameplay destoryed killzone 2

enough said!

i wonder on top of production costs, I wonder how much money sony need to pay the gaming media to over hype their games.

funny part is crysis still destories kill zone 2 lol both graphics and gameplay.

what a joke.

what a joke.

don’t get me started i can start posting links on real facts. what do you people have hot air.

please, nice try

As I’ve tried saying to BDH many times, I’m actually a PC gamer first and foremost (especially as each generation progresses and the difference between the PC and consoles becomes more pronounced)… but that doesn’t mean I ignore the reality of the gaming market. Outside of casual gaming (flash games, and some rare titles like The Sims), PC gaming is niche… and that situation isn’t changing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69EBDlnDw2k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ljq6MXgPiSU

…etc

(Seriously though, a game made by Futurmark? Oh, joy! I’ll enjoy benchmarking my gameplay for hours.)

This is an argument that is going to keep on raging until there is a single PC/Consle or someone stumps up enough cash to get actual numbers from around the world instead of estimations. Until then you will get people saying ‘PC gaming is dying’ and ‘Console gaming is shrinking beyond belief’. I can only say by what I’ve read and what I’ve been told by people and, as such, I take such things with a massive, planet-sized grain of salt.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsEovlCdoH8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJxTVZKxl9E

facts are facts pc gaming is king if your really want to get me going I can find a ton of links

take a very good look at UT3 fear 2 and wolftensin they are epic flops and watered dwon console games.

There’s only one way you can make it work, and that’s by saying that there’s more PCs out there than consoles… which doesn’t really work either (95% of PCs sold are for businesses, not for gaming).

Now, Chart Track only follows UK retail and UK Digital downloads. Everything else is merely an estimation from what they get from other similar research companies in different countries. Now, I don’t know how they all talk to each other but, from what I have gathered from a few friends in retail, they generally don’t merge all the results together unless a company comes along and waves a big load of cash for them to do so, it’s just not economically viable for them to do it out of their own back pocket. I do know from my friends in HK, the PC rules supreme there and consoles are generally considered very poor cousins.

As for what the Dev said, remember, you need to sell less copies of a PC game to make a profit than you do on a console, plus you don’t have to go through any crazy licensing, software checks that the console creator demands you go through, plus all the costs included with that. I’m sure that, if the consoles were open like PC the costs of games would be cheaper.

On the whole, if people want to read the Rock, Paper, Shotgun article, PC gaming is getting healthier and healthier whilst consoles, aside from the odd AAA game, is starting to slowly shrink.