Brink boss – PC-only sales cannot “justify” triple-A budgets

Calling BDH….

Paging BDH, would a Mr. Dreamhunk please come to the comments field?

Was the demo good yesterday, Pat? We tried to get in but the queue was immense!

In b4 the BDH RAAAAAEGE!

Hehe, I can’t wait…

What was the demo like as well…?

Blerk/Len – The demo was very good. It’s a hardcore shooter with clases, co-op, online, etc. The production values are really brilliant. It’s got a Mirror’s Edge-style free-running thing in it.

Sounds v interesting indeed.

Is there an embargo on stuff for it and if so when’s it gonna be lifted, would be good to see more of this…?

What bollocks. And I suppose the likes of Empire:Total War isnt a triple A PC title and a huge seller both in Europe and the US?

BDH! Where are you!

Someone should tell Blizzard that.

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Grimita the title was only on top for 3 weeks. ANd we also don’t know how much the production cost was ( I have searched and nada) Also from what I have seen that the game was loaded with bugs more so than any other game. I am purely going on reviews and previews I have seen.

The point is publishers wont upchuck more cash unless its multiplat which I don’t blame them for.

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Blizzard is a brand in itself with titles like Warcraft, Starcraft and Diablo they have made a name for themselves. Especially when they took the MMO market when they did.

We expect the bugs from Total war now – its always been really bad since Sega took them over. Even for 3 weeks, for a single format to be number 1 is still an achievement – especially one thats supposed to be on life support. Personally, I still believe that Vista was Microsofts way of forcing PC users on to 360…..

Blizzard are popular because they produce good polish and are great at polishing turds. But there is no denying that the PC market has changed – the sales are still there but just in a different way.

here is the funny part the richest and must famus of all game devs are guess what pc game devs

will wright

blizzard

ncsoft

Some EA game devs

games that make over 5 million

guildwars, civilition, nacy drew,starcraft,daiblo,sims, half life, empire total war etc.

I could go on

there are games that have made 2 mill, that is just as much as average console games like stalker clear skies.

Even crysis made like 2 or 3 million and is still selling to this day.

There can be 2 reasons why your games are not selling on the pc. Number 1 pc gamers don’t know you or your game sucks. If your unkown give time becuase there will be a pc gamer out there braging on your game some where.

pc gamers bombared by games so we grow warrie of bad gameplay.

In fact empire total war out sold killzone 2 and took killzone 2 off of th charts.

Shigeru Miyamoto would like to have a word with you about that “richest and must famous of all game devs” comment there, BDH.

Apparently there aren’t any spellcheckers for hardcore PC gamers.

ncwho?

Shigeru Miyamoto
Polyphony Digital
Rockstar
Naughty Dog
Bungie

Games that sold over 10 million…

Super Mario Bros, Mario Kart, Gran Turismo, Pokemon, Gran Theft Auto, COD, Nintendogs, Wii Fit, Brain Age etc

I could go on.

lets see game make over 10 billion sorry pc gaming is king.

not only that pc gaming has a ton of genres. the income pc gaming kills console gaming.

the biggest money makers are online games. We pc gamers made online gaming what it is.

Sorry the biggest game devs on the market is pc game devs. they are also alot tuffer than console game devs. It’s why the japanese game devs can’t compete.

Btw… only the Guild Wars / Empire franchises as a whole have hit 5 million sales, not the individual games. I’d wager the same for “Nancy Drew”.

…and 10 billion? Make 10 billion what? Because there’s no one PC game that’s make 10 billion sales, or 10 billion revenue.

there are games out there that go above the 5 million mark. those game i listed are 5 mill and above.

sorry I don’t see any console game devs buying a foot ball team lol.

the biggest pc game dev out of them all is blizzard. No game devs to my knowledge is bigger than blizzard, vavle, and will wright.

I would have to do some reach on that topic too.

Three of those games haven’t sold 5 million. Only their franchises as a whole. (Maybe more than three, I just checked the ones that seemed obviously wrong)

…and just to check. Buying a football team is an indication of the size of a developer right? I always thought it was measured in net income, marketshare, sales etc. Who knew?

Ohhh….. and you still haven’t commented on Microsoft’s gaming division posting profits again. Do be a dear and pop over to the thread so we can get the benefit of your wisdom.

Rockstar is bigger than Valve, sorry.

I know my stuff, I reached this topic a while ago. The numbers on the internet from websites i have seen are not up to date.

pc gaming is so huge it’s really hard to track online gaming numbers.

here are more countries that play pc only games.

here is a recent study on such a topic

on the pc. for exmaple germaeny only likes to play on the pc.

http://www.gamepro.com/article/news/212751/u-s-leads-the-world-in-adopting-digital-distribution/

Oh my lord.

Oh… so everything is wrong other than you BDH? I mean ignoring the fact that I just pulled the real numbers from financial reports. I guess the companies that develop the games have trouble tracking the sales…

…you know, because PC gaming is so huge and all.

Sorry but facts are facts. Console games sell better and the best selling games are on consoles, always have been probably always will.

console gaming is a ver small market compared to pc gaming that is fact. in fact EA is moving over to pc online gaming.

who is the biggest game dev console gaming has to offer?

In fact all the best console game devs are in fact pc game devs.

I am pretty sure pc gamers help those same game devs on those games too.

“germeny for exmaple only likes to play on the pc.”

Oh, really. Plenty of my friends only play games on consoles.

PT – Basically, everything and everyone that goes against BDH is wrong.

Lovely. BDH > me.

“console gaming is a ver small market compared to pc gaming”

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Not true, Gek. Some of the all-time best selling games *have* been on PC – WoW, Myst, The Sims, ChampMan, the Total War series etc – but these days the PC just isn’t as viable or lucrative a platform as it once was UNLESS you’re making a MMO game. That’s why most PC releases these days are just (shoddy) console ports, and that trend looks set to grow.

Jeesh BDH, you call your own guesses facts. Seriously stop now, you’re making yourself look stupid.

WoW, Myst, The Sims, the Total War series. All games that have sold well, but nowhere near as well as some console only games.

take a look at the charts there buddy.

china is a pc only country In fact consoles are banded there

India is another huge pc country.

Russia is another huge pc country sorry buddy, pc gaming is the biggest and must poweful platform in the world.

Only the best game devs can survie pc gaming market.

pc gaming is so hot the ression did not stop online gaming.

Hey BDH… of the best selling 10 games ever, tell me how many are on PC. I’ll wait patiently.

If you’re right about everything you’ve been saying, it should be at least 5 or more out of the top ten correct?

How many users in China, India or Russia actually bought their PC games, though?

How dare you Blerk!

Ok time to bust out the links

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7960498.stm

http://kotaku.com/5037023/more-developers-working-on-pc-xbox-360-titles

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10291692-1.html

even new york time conffess that pc gaming is the biggest badest platform in the world.

If your game sucks on pc then that means your product is not great. there are pc gamers that can help emprove your product.

oh and there is also the meny genres on pc gaming that you just can’t find on consoles

the free gaming on pc that you just can’t find on consoles.

when it comes to profits pc gaming is king!

It’s why microsoft and sony needs to pay the gaming Industry media money every year to say it’s dying.

http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/53403

Answer my question BDH… or address any of the points people have made.

Also… lol

“The personal computer is king in the world of games, according to a new report by the PC Gaming Alliance.”

Also… from one of your links:

“Yes, according to Chart Track, PC games have a smaller share of the global gaming market than consoles.”

lawl

The topic at hand is sales and money. Well done throwing up some BS unrelated links BDH. Why dont you put up that link comparing PC games sales to console sales? I know you have it because you posted it by accident once.

ahahahahahahahahahhaha even EA had bow at the might of on pc gaming

fifa online line makes more money than all 3 consoles combined

http://www.edge-online.com/news/ea-pc-becoming-worlds-largest-games-platform

Hey, BDH. Read your links.

“Yes, according to Chart Track, PC games have a smaller share of the global gaming market than consoles.””

Ahh… EA. You’ve never responded to the FACTS that EA make far more money on consoles than on the PC. You know, the FACTS that are in their financial reports.

i can find tons o flinks on this subject where are all the mmo’s on the pc.

mmo’s are the largest money making machines.

I can find more links more proof pc gaming makes more cash.

sorry console fanboys pc gaming is king.

pc gaming also gets alot more play time too.

unlike console game dev going bankuprt on consoles with high production costs.

pc games are so hot that yea alot of console gamers what them but can’t have some of them lol

lol… I’m almost positive BDH is a bot now. It’s incapable of responding correctly to things posted by others.

the thing is you can’t fight me on this even microsft knows the facts.

here take a look for your self

http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/53403

In fact there has been alot of companies reporting huge profits when the console games industry was tanking. when console game devs were going bankuprt.

No one can “fight” you because you blantantly ignore the facts.

anyone who says that pc gaming is not the largest platform in the world. Be it game dev or gamer is out of touch and is not educated on this matter.

Or, you know. Looks at sales figures and sees that console games sell more…

The fact remains, right at the top of this page, that a genuine real-world game developer doesn’t share BDH’s opinion, so much so that he’s said PC-only games can’t justify AAA budgets.

So cackle all you want BDH, ‘cos the devs will continue to produce for consoles over PCs.