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Brink boss – PC-only sales cannot “justify” triple-A budgets

Wednesday, 28th October 2009 11:44 GMT By Patrick Garratt

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Splash Damage boss Paul Wedgwood has said that PC-only projects simply cannot attract enough money from publishers to create triple-A results.

“About two or three years ago we realised that we really wouldn’t survive if we only made PC games, since purely making PC games was incompatible with our goal of making triple-A games,” said the developer, demoing current project Brink yesterday at the EG Expo in Leeds.

“You just can’t get the publisher budget to ever [use] an orchestra in London, and then go and record at Abbey Road and get the best voice actors if you’re only going to release on the PC, where there isn’t the sales to justify that kind of work.”

Wedgwood added: “Because we needed to make that transition, I started playing console games,” and that he now plays “a lot more time playing console stuff” than PC games.

Wedgwood’s background is from the PC mod scene. He told the Expo audience that he originally resisted console gaming because he considered himself to be “hardcore PC guy,” but “loved it” and got “more and more into it”.

For the record, Brink looks properly, properly awesome. Hopefully we’ll be able to show it to you soon. It’s out for PC, 360 and PS3 next spring.

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  1. pracer

    Calling BDH….

    #1 5 years ago
  2. Gheritt White

    Paging BDH, would a Mr. Dreamhunk please come to the comments field?

    #2 5 years ago
  3. Blerk

    Was the demo good yesterday, Pat? We tried to get in but the queue was immense!

    #3 5 years ago
  4. phatb0y

    In b4 the BDH RAAAAAEGE!

    #4 5 years ago
  5. Len

    Hehe, I can’t wait…

    What was the demo like as well…?

    #5 5 years ago
  6. Patrick Garratt

    Blerk/Len – The demo was very good. It’s a hardcore shooter with clases, co-op, online, etc. The production values are really brilliant. It’s got a Mirror’s Edge-style free-running thing in it.

    #6 5 years ago
  7. Len

    Sounds v interesting indeed.

    Is there an embargo on stuff for it and if so when’s it gonna be lifted, would be good to see more of this…?

    #7 5 years ago
  8. Grimrita

    What bollocks. And I suppose the likes of Empire:Total War isnt a triple A PC title and a huge seller both in Europe and the US?

    #8 5 years ago
  9. Redh3lix

    BDH! Where are you!

    #9 5 years ago
  10. Eury

    Someone should tell Blizzard that.

    #10 5 years ago
  11. Phoenixblight

    @8

    Grimita the title was only on top for 3 weeks. ANd we also don’t know how much the production cost was ( I have searched and nada) Also from what I have seen that the game was loaded with bugs more so than any other game. I am purely going on reviews and previews I have seen.

    The point is publishers wont upchuck more cash unless its multiplat which I don’t blame them for.

    @10

    Blizzard is a brand in itself with titles like Warcraft, Starcraft and Diablo they have made a name for themselves. Especially when they took the MMO market when they did.

    #11 5 years ago
  12. Grimrita

    We expect the bugs from Total war now – its always been really bad since Sega took them over. Even for 3 weeks, for a single format to be number 1 is still an achievement – especially one thats supposed to be on life support. Personally, I still believe that Vista was Microsofts way of forcing PC users on to 360…..

    Blizzard are popular because they produce good polish and are great at polishing turds. But there is no denying that the PC market has changed – the sales are still there but just in a different way.

    #12 5 years ago
  13. blackdreamhunk

    here is the funny part the richest and must famus of all game devs are guess what pc game devs

    will wright

    blizzard

    ncsoft

    Some EA game devs

    games that make over 5 million

    guildwars, civilition, nacy drew,starcraft,daiblo,sims, half life, empire total war etc.

    I could go on

    there are games that have made 2 mill, that is just as much as average console games like stalker clear skies.

    Even crysis made like 2 or 3 million and is still selling to this day.

    There can be 2 reasons why your games are not selling on the pc. Number 1 pc gamers don’t know you or your game sucks. If your unkown give time becuase there will be a pc gamer out there braging on your game some where.

    pc gamers bombared by games so we grow warrie of bad gameplay.

    In fact empire total war out sold killzone 2 and took killzone 2 off of th charts.

    #13 5 years ago
  14. Gheritt White

    Shigeru Miyamoto would like to have a word with you about that “richest and must famous of all game devs” comment there, BDH.

    #14 5 years ago
  15. Retroid

    Apparently there aren’t any spellcheckers for hardcore PC gamers.

    #15 5 years ago
  16. Psychotext

    ncwho?

    Shigeru Miyamoto
    Polyphony Digital
    Rockstar
    Naughty Dog
    Bungie

    Games that sold over 10 million…

    Super Mario Bros, Mario Kart, Gran Turismo, Pokemon, Gran Theft Auto, COD, Nintendogs, Wii Fit, Brain Age etc

    I could go on.

    #16 5 years ago
  17. blackdreamhunk

    lets see game make over 10 billion sorry pc gaming is king.

    not only that pc gaming has a ton of genres. the income pc gaming kills console gaming.

    the biggest money makers are online games. We pc gamers made online gaming what it is.

    Sorry the biggest game devs on the market is pc game devs. they are also alot tuffer than console game devs. It’s why the japanese game devs can’t compete.

    #17 5 years ago
  18. Psychotext

    Btw… only the Guild Wars / Empire franchises as a whole have hit 5 million sales, not the individual games. I’d wager the same for “Nancy Drew”.

    …and 10 billion? Make 10 billion what? Because there’s no one PC game that’s make 10 billion sales, or 10 billion revenue.

    #18 5 years ago
  19. blackdreamhunk

    there are games out there that go above the 5 million mark. those game i listed are 5 mill and above.

    #19 5 years ago
  20. blackdreamhunk

    sorry I don’t see any console game devs buying a foot ball team lol.

    the biggest pc game dev out of them all is blizzard. No game devs to my knowledge is bigger than blizzard, vavle, and will wright.

    I would have to do some reach on that topic too.

    #20 5 years ago
  21. Psychotext

    Three of those games haven’t sold 5 million. Only their franchises as a whole. (Maybe more than three, I just checked the ones that seemed obviously wrong)

    …and just to check. Buying a football team is an indication of the size of a developer right? I always thought it was measured in net income, marketshare, sales etc. Who knew?

    #21 5 years ago
  22. Psychotext

    Ohhh….. and you still haven’t commented on Microsoft’s gaming division posting profits again. Do be a dear and pop over to the thread so we can get the benefit of your wisdom.

    #22 5 years ago
  23. Gheritt White

    Rockstar is bigger than Valve, sorry.

    #23 5 years ago
  24. blackdreamhunk

    I know my stuff, I reached this topic a while ago. The numbers on the internet from websites i have seen are not up to date.

    pc gaming is so huge it’s really hard to track online gaming numbers.

    here are more countries that play pc only games.

    here is a recent study on such a topic

    on the pc. for exmaple germaeny only likes to play on the pc.

    http://www.gamepro.com/article/news/212751/u-s-leads-the-world-in-adopting-digital-distribution/

    #24 5 years ago
  25. Santa Clause

    Oh my lord.

    #25 5 years ago
  26. Psychotext

    Oh… so everything is wrong other than you BDH? I mean ignoring the fact that I just pulled the real numbers from financial reports. I guess the companies that develop the games have trouble tracking the sales…

    …you know, because PC gaming is so huge and all.

    #26 5 years ago
  27. Gekidami

    Sorry but facts are facts. Console games sell better and the best selling games are on consoles, always have been probably always will.

    #27 5 years ago
  28. blackdreamhunk

    console gaming is a ver small market compared to pc gaming that is fact. in fact EA is moving over to pc online gaming.

    who is the biggest game dev console gaming has to offer?

    In fact all the best console game devs are in fact pc game devs.

    I am pretty sure pc gamers help those same game devs on those games too.

    #28 5 years ago
  29. Syrok

    “germeny for exmaple only likes to play on the pc.”

    Oh, really. Plenty of my friends only play games on consoles.

    #29 5 years ago
  30. Johnny Cullen

    PT – Basically, everything and everyone that goes against BDH is wrong.

    Lovely. BDH > me.

    #30 5 years ago
  31. Santa Clause

    “console gaming is a ver small market compared to pc gaming”

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    #31 5 years ago
  32. Gheritt White

    Not true, Gek. Some of the all-time best selling games *have* been on PC – WoW, Myst, The Sims, ChampMan, the Total War series etc – but these days the PC just isn’t as viable or lucrative a platform as it once was UNLESS you’re making a MMO game. That’s why most PC releases these days are just (shoddy) console ports, and that trend looks set to grow.

    #32 5 years ago
  33. Gekidami

    Jeesh BDH, you call your own guesses facts. Seriously stop now, you’re making yourself look stupid.

    WoW, Myst, The Sims, the Total War series. All games that have sold well, but nowhere near as well as some console only games.

    #33 5 years ago
  34. blackdreamhunk

    take a look at the charts there buddy.

    china is a pc only country In fact consoles are banded there

    India is another huge pc country.

    Russia is another huge pc country sorry buddy, pc gaming is the biggest and must poweful platform in the world.

    Only the best game devs can survie pc gaming market.

    pc gaming is so hot the ression did not stop online gaming.

    #34 5 years ago
  35. Psychotext

    Hey BDH… of the best selling 10 games ever, tell me how many are on PC. I’ll wait patiently.

    If you’re right about everything you’ve been saying, it should be at least 5 or more out of the top ten correct?

    #35 5 years ago
  36. Blerk

    How many users in China, India or Russia actually bought their PC games, though? :-)

    #36 5 years ago
  37. Psychotext

    How dare you Blerk!

    #37 5 years ago
  38. blackdreamhunk

    Ok time to bust out the links

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7960498.stm

    http://kotaku.com/5037023/more-developers-working-on-pc-xbox-360-titles

    http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10291692-1.html

    even new york time conffess that pc gaming is the biggest badest platform in the world.

    If your game sucks on pc then that means your product is not great. there are pc gamers that can help emprove your product.

    oh and there is also the meny genres on pc gaming that you just can’t find on consoles

    the free gaming on pc that you just can’t find on consoles.

    when it comes to profits pc gaming is king!

    It’s why microsoft and sony needs to pay the gaming Industry media money every year to say it’s dying.

    http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/53403

    #38 5 years ago
  39. Psychotext

    Answer my question BDH… or address any of the points people have made.

    Also… lol

    “The personal computer is king in the world of games, according to a new report by the PC Gaming Alliance.”

    Also… from one of your links:

    “Yes, according to Chart Track, PC games have a smaller share of the global gaming market than consoles.”

    lawl

    #39 5 years ago
  40. Gekidami

    The topic at hand is sales and money. Well done throwing up some BS unrelated links BDH. Why dont you put up that link comparing PC games sales to console sales? I know you have it because you posted it by accident once.

    #40 5 years ago
  41. blackdreamhunk

    ahahahahahahahahahhaha even EA had bow at the might of on pc gaming

    fifa online line makes more money than all 3 consoles combined

    http://www.edge-online.com/news/ea-pc-becoming-worlds-largest-games-platform

    #41 5 years ago
  42. Santa Clause

    Hey, BDH. Read your links.

    “Yes, according to Chart Track, PC games have a smaller share of the global gaming market than consoles.””

    #42 5 years ago
  43. Psychotext

    Ahh… EA. You’ve never responded to the FACTS that EA make far more money on consoles than on the PC. You know, the FACTS that are in their financial reports.

    #43 5 years ago
  44. blackdreamhunk

    i can find tons o flinks on this subject where are all the mmo’s on the pc.

    mmo’s are the largest money making machines.

    I can find more links more proof pc gaming makes more cash.

    sorry console fanboys pc gaming is king.

    pc gaming also gets alot more play time too.

    unlike console game dev going bankuprt on consoles with high production costs.

    pc games are so hot that yea alot of console gamers what them but can’t have some of them lol

    #44 5 years ago
  45. Psychotext

    lol… I’m almost positive BDH is a bot now. It’s incapable of responding correctly to things posted by others.

    #45 5 years ago
  46. blackdreamhunk

    the thing is you can’t fight me on this even microsft knows the facts.

    here take a look for your self

    http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/53403

    In fact there has been alot of companies reporting huge profits when the console games industry was tanking. when console game devs were going bankuprt.

    #46 5 years ago
  47. Gekidami

    No one can “fight” you because you blantantly ignore the facts.

    #47 5 years ago
  48. blackdreamhunk

    anyone who says that pc gaming is not the largest platform in the world. Be it game dev or gamer is out of touch and is not educated on this matter.

    #48 5 years ago
  49. Gekidami

    Or, you know. Looks at sales figures and sees that console games sell more…

    #49 5 years ago
  50. Gheritt White

    The fact remains, right at the top of this page, that a genuine real-world game developer doesn’t share BDH’s opinion, so much so that he’s said PC-only games can’t justify AAA budgets.

    So cackle all you want BDH, ‘cos the devs will continue to produce for consoles over PCs.

    #50 5 years ago
  51. blackdreamhunk

    ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha yea I see alot of failures and bakuprt companies on consoles

    how is them high production costs lol

    don’t even get me started. i will start to list billions on links on this subject.

    the only thing you people got is hot air to back you up.

    #51 5 years ago
  52. Psychotext

    Not uneducated. I agree.

    #52 5 years ago
  53. blackdreamhunk

    ahahaha hopes i mean educated

    #53 5 years ago
  54. blackdreamhunk

    yea a no name game dev i never ever heared off. lets compare him to lets say anet of blizzard.

    ahahahaha what a joke. pc gaming is getting so hot now even indie game devs can making living off of their games.

    even while console game devs go bankupt. Even the the so called might japanese game industrty has been brought to it’s knees by pc gaming.

    pc game devs from pc gaming killed their poor console market ahahaha

    #54 5 years ago
  55. G1GAHURTZ

    ahahahaha what a joke. pc gaming is getting so hot now even indie game devs can making living off of their games.

    Wow.

    #55 5 years ago
  56. Gheritt White

    I think he meant to add “when they port their games over to PSN/XBLA” at the end.

    #56 5 years ago
  57. Santa Clause

    Read. These. Words. BDH.

    “Yes, according to Chart Track, PC games have a smaller share of the global gaming market than consoles.”

    #57 5 years ago
  58. Psychotext

    “I think he meant to add “when they port their games over to PSN/XBLA” at the end.”

    Indeed. Trials HD was a rather big success story.

    #58 5 years ago
  59. blackdreamhunk

    there was time Indie game devs couldn’t make any money off of their games. Now game devs don’t need a publisher of any kind, It’s because DD.

    agin uneducated commets, indie gaming is on the rise these days with alot of reashed games these days. pc gamers need something new and fresh game play.

    #59 5 years ago
  60. Santa Clause

    Read this, you fucking idiot.

    “Yes, according to Chart Track, PC games have a smaller share of the global gaming market than consoles.”

    #60 5 years ago
  61. blackdreamhunk

    @Santa Clause

    read my lips it has been already proven your so called console market or your dying so called console market is small comapred to pc gaming.

    I have more than enough links up there with the hard facts.

    yea if one article has miss information the the rest out weight it from alot more creadable sites.

    then there is blizzard who is the biggest pc game dev in history and guess wat all their games are pc only.

    at the end of the day, console gaming profits are childs play compared to the might of pc gaming.

    I am not going to waste my time on this one.

    #61 5 years ago
  62. Psychotext

    /smh

    #62 5 years ago
  63. blackdreamhunk

    here check this out pc gaming has alot more games than consoles

    this is just some games by the way

    http://adrianwerner.wordpress.com/games-of-2010/

    so what do them consoles have to offer me?

    ahahahahahhhahaha

    here check out 2009

    http://adrianwerner.wordpress.com/games-of-2009/

    man alot of console gamers and game devs are noobs to real gaming.

    #63 5 years ago
  64. Psychotext

    lmao

    #64 5 years ago
  65. Kalain

    now I take BDH as much as I can take Loki, but it seems that some people are doing the same as he is. Picking and choosing parts of an article. For instance, the article about Chart Track does say that PC’s only have a small share of the market, and yet, further down, it says that PC gaming will increase in 2009. So, if you want to comment on an article, make sure you comment on all of it. Same goes for BDH.

    Now, Chart Track only follows UK retail and UK Digital downloads. Everything else is merely an estimation from what they get from other similar research companies in different countries. Now, I don’t know how they all talk to each other but, from what I have gathered from a few friends in retail, they generally don’t merge all the results together unless a company comes along and waves a big load of cash for them to do so, it’s just not economically viable for them to do it out of their own back pocket. I do know from my friends in HK, the PC rules supreme there and consoles are generally considered very poor cousins.

    As for what the Dev said, remember, you need to sell less copies of a PC game to make a profit than you do on a console, plus you don’t have to go through any crazy licensing, software checks that the console creator demands you go through, plus all the costs included with that. I’m sure that, if the consoles were open like PC the costs of games would be cheaper.

    On the whole, if people want to read the Rock, Paper, Shotgun article, PC gaming is getting healthier and healthier whilst consoles, aside from the odd AAA game, is starting to slowly shrink.

    #65 5 years ago
  66. Psychotext

    The only thing shrinking about consoles is their growth… and all this is all irrelevant anyway. BDH says that PC gaming is bigger than console gaming… take any metric you like (sales or revenue for instance) and that statement is flat out wrong.

    There’s only one way you can make it work, and that’s by saying that there’s more PCs out there than consoles… which doesn’t really work either (95% of PCs sold are for businesses, not for gaming).

    #66 5 years ago
  67. blackdreamhunk

    here check this game out is it coming to console ya no

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsEovlCdoH8

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJxTVZKxl9E

    facts are facts pc gaming is king if your really want to get me going I can find a ton of links

    take a very good look at UT3 fear 2 and wolftensin they are epic flops and watered dwon console games.

    #67 5 years ago
  68. Kalain

    Psychotext: I agree. Saying that PC gaming is bigger is wrong, just as saying that Console gaming is bigger. Why? All the relevent information we have about the markets are all estimations. Chart Track does UK only, NPD is US only, who does China, Russia, Europe?

    This is an argument that is going to keep on raging until there is a single PC/Consle or someone stumps up enough cash to get actual numbers from around the world instead of estimations. Until then you will get people saying ‘PC gaming is dying’ and ‘Console gaming is shrinking beyond belief’. I can only say by what I’ve read and what I’ve been told by people and, as such, I take such things with a massive, planet-sized grain of salt.

    #68 5 years ago
  69. Psychotext

    Here check this game out is it coming to PC ya no

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69EBDlnDw2k

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ljq6MXgPiSU

    …etc

    (Seriously though, a game made by Futurmark? Oh, joy! I’ll enjoy benchmarking my gameplay for hours.)

    #69 5 years ago
  70. Psychotext

    Kalain: There’s a certain amount of uncertainty regarding total value, but you can look at what the games developers / publishers say about the sales of their own games (which lets face it, they know)… and there’s nothing on PC other than WoW and The Sims which comes close to the kind of sales which you see the biggest console / handheld games getting.

    As I’ve tried saying to BDH many times, I’m actually a PC gamer first and foremost (especially as each generation progresses and the difference between the PC and consoles becomes more pronounced)… but that doesn’t mean I ignore the reality of the gaming market. Outside of casual gaming (flash games, and some rare titles like The Sims), PC gaming is niche… and that situation isn’t changing.

    #70 5 years ago
  71. blackdreamhunk

    oh really i find it funny that kill zone 2 was over hyped. Over a huge budget. Guess what a pc only game called empire tatol still made alot more money.

    what a joke.

    don’t get me started i can start posting links on real facts. what do you people have hot air.

    please, nice try

    #71 5 years ago
  72. Psychotext

    I must have missed the punchline.

    #72 5 years ago
  73. blackdreamhunk

    ahahahahahahaha i wonder how much money in production costs sony had put into killzone2

    I am sure they never got there money back, oh wait there hoping more people buy their over price hardware.

    yea empire tatol war with very little marketing and cuting edge gameplay destoryed killzone 2

    enough said!

    i wonder on top of production costs, I wonder how much money sony need to pay the gaming media to over hype their games.

    funny part is crysis still destories kill zone 2 lol both graphics and gameplay.

    what a joke.

    #73 5 years ago
  74. Psychotext

    I’m laughing, but not with you.

    #74 5 years ago
  75. pracer

    I love this guy, hey Pat, BDH should be on the payroll for sure.

    #75 5 years ago
  76. pracer

    Some interesting tib bits. Just for fun.

    Many if not most of todays top western devs started on PC.

    Bungie
    Epic
    Valve
    Lionhead
    Bestheda
    I could go on and on, actualy I could. The list is HUGE. I even remember playing some of the first EA sports games, on my Commador64.

    Japanesse(eastern game dvs) are almost 100% console/handhelds. Tho Korea and a couple other eastern nations knock out some reasonable modern day PC devs. Fact, Perfect World is played by more people daily then WoW. Fact WoW has over 11million gamers.

    Thats a lot of people.

    Most of the now top selling Xbox360 games are either PC Ports, updated/former PC franchises, or developed by former PC game makers.

    More Japanese made console games are made for PS3 then for xb360(even more are made for handhelds, but anyways). JP games sell better on PS3 then xb360. PS3 sells better in UK(perportionatlysp?) then it does in NA.

    More PC gamers play in NA then in UK(again %wise).

    Summery(ies)

    Most console games come from PC roots.

    PC gaming has made a come back from the brink of near death a few years ago.

    Steam, D2D, and others like them are HUGE.

    Media, Walmart, Game, Gamestop, and other big box stores want you to play Consoles NOT PCs. They can’t control the marketing of games(downloaded/played) on PCs. PC gamers do not need/buy controllers(upto four per system, at 40usd each, at 20% mark up, thats…why), they do not need memory cards, points cards, to replace/upgrade or buy hadware, they do not buy music games and the lusterious plastic instruments that go along with them.

    In many ways Console gamers are like sheep, hearded together, easily convinced, and sheerd for every penny they are worth.

    JP used revived the console market, owned the console market, and then abandoned the console market in favor of trendy JP handhelds. Anyone wanna link up and play some DSi?

    Consoles are cheaper then PC.

    Games are faster and easier to get into on consoles.

    Consoles games don’t have driver issues.

    Console gamers are mostly younger. PC gamers older.

    Modern day consoles are chopped up PCs. They play games, they play online, they have social networking, they play movies, music, surf the web etc.

    In the not so distant future consoles will no longer exsist. Neither will full blown PCs either for that matter. We will likly have something like a simple Notebook. For games will be delievered via a simple interface driven by some version of cloud tech. No more over priced PCs, no more system to have to own.

    Kinda silly fighting about it. No reason you can enjoy both types of games. But then again the fighting is fun to watch.

    #76 5 years ago
  77. rainer

    He’s right the PC cant justify such budgets in the west. Particularly as the old-school PC gamer fades away. People love to trot out web games, sims, WoW as look how well PC is doing (its true) but those are completely different markets most of them will never ever buy into hardcore PC gaming.

    Blizzard have a golden goose called Wow that lets them do what they want.

    Valve release their games on consoles, and have a digital delivery business.

    Crytek threw in the towel after Crysis now gone consoles too.

    iD is multi-platform too.

    Epic saw which way the wind was blowing a long time ago.

    That leaves east European/Russian devs making some PC exclusives but not quite to AAA standards. Along with a whole bunch of amateur/small time devs which isnt a bad thing as long as your not hung up on graphics.

    Even Derek Smart who is a huge PC fanboy indie dev has admitted the above on RPS and his own blog.

    There is no money in putting the PC first or exclusive to AAA game developers and even higher definition graphics are too expensive to make for solely PC audience so the platform cannot use technology as a get out jail card.

    #77 5 years ago
  78. Gheritt White

    BUNGIE STARTED ON MACS, ASSHOLE!!!

    /cries

    #78 5 years ago
  79. pracer

    Isn’t a MAC a Personal Computer? ie a PC. Would be like not calling a PS3 a console. They are the samething. I didn’t mention what OS they had. Doesn’t matter in my book.

    #79 5 years ago
  80. Gheritt White

    First of all, it’s “Mac”, not MAC.

    And secondly, NO IT’S NOT THE SAME AS A FUCKING PC (spit) BECAUSE… UM… er… well, I forgot.

    MACS RULE, YEAH!

    #80 5 years ago
  81. pracer

    Caps much?

    So scary.

    #81 5 years ago
  82. Gheritt White

    As we all know, Caps Lock is cruise control for *awesome*.

    #82 5 years ago
  83. Hunam

    This is all a joke right?

    #83 5 years ago
  84. Kalain

    Psychotext: Actually disagree with you on one point. Only a few console games sell in the millions and those are the ones which have the most hype surrounding them. Sure, its the same on the PC, but, those millions come over the course of a few years, unlike consoles which need their millions sales within a few months. PC games continue to sell years after they were released, whilst console games die after a few month, or slightly longer if they are a high profile game. Don’t just look at the big titles, look at the smaller ones as well, the one’s that don’t sell as well. I would love to see the sales of Empire: Total war, from DD and retail, as I’m sure they are over a million in sales.

    One thing I will be waiting for will be the sales figures for Starcraft II and Diablo III. Those, I can probably estimate, will sell millions comparable to those AAA console titles.

    As for PC being niche, I can agree and disagree. Several ideas for games were created by the PC modding community. Counter Strike, for instance, was a massive influence on the team based FPS, along with Tribes. This echoes through to the consoles also. But, on agreement, there are several niche games on the PC which you won’t get on consoles.

    I, like you, am a PC gamer first, but I also play on my Wii and 360, along with my son. I enjoy the games on all platforms, but PC Gaming just seems more fulfilling and satisfying than console gaming. I’m yet to see a Planescape: Torment beater on a console (and thats getting rereleased for the XP/Vista/Windows 7 crowd YaY!!).

    #84 5 years ago
  85. bpcgos

    OK, Its quite a cooldown right now. For me, i feel very upset when a lot of people in this thread just make bad of PC game and PC gamer.
    Actually, when asked about what is the best selling PC game that outsold console game? Its easy to answer, just check you own PC (if you have it). What games installed there? Can you see any solitaire, minesweeper, or free cell! Yeah, thats the answer!! Just multiply these games with Windows Software sold since Win 95!! How much it is?? Is there any console games that at least equal with it??
    But thats not the point, as gamer we must respect each other, because what we seeing now between console and PC is taking a lesson from each other.
    What is todays Console game offered ??
    Downloadable content, online capability,: in PC its have been around for at least a decades as Expansion Pack, mmorpg,etc.
    Online store: in PC there is steam, direct download, and a lot of other online store that have been around for 7 or 8 years and even more.
    AAA game, AAA developer: Admit it, almost all of todays console game and dev, like pracer’s have said before ,start their root as PC dev or PC gamer. Its impossible for them to said(even for naughty dog, that always been developing for console) they are not PC gamer or never play PC game for a whole of their life. Dont they remember that they start develop their first game on PC and then play it to test it?? Even the first Grand Theft Auto are PC game.
    But there is also a few thing from console that taken by pc as a lesson.
    Standardization: yes, when we back to DOS era its difficult to play our games or developing it because there is no standard for them. With Direct X, Open GL, all of this problem solved.
    Game: a lot of todays PC game taken directly from console (or being ported if I may say),like Resident Evil for example and I’m sure all of us PC gamer loves it.
    And the other things, just mention it!!
    So, please stop any rude argument. Respect Pc gamer lover like BDH, just don’t say that he is stupid,etc!! In my country ,Indonesia,PC is number one especially with Online Games .Despite that console developer ignore us for many years, except sony Playstation that had been release their console officially In October 09.

    #85 5 years ago
  86. Psychotext

    Why should BDH get any respect when he refuses to give respect to any poster that dares disagree with his point of view?

    (See posts by Kalain for how it should be done)

    #86 5 years ago
  87. bpcgos

    BDH are human, everyone have human rights, one of it is being respected. There is a word from a wise spread in my country, “respect other, even if he/she didn’t, maybe he’s/she’s just not yet understand it. Its our task to make him/her understand with no offence or rude way!”
    Please, I just don’t want to make war to anyone. I just want peace for everyone, thanks!!

    #87 5 years ago
  88. blackdreamhunk

    you want to talk about respect here is the gaming Industry respect

    http://downloadablesuicide.com/2009/07/16/pc-gaming-its-problems-stem-from-mistreatment/

    lets trash talk pc gamers and pc gaming!!!

    oh one more thing brink should take a good look at sins of the solar empire and look how well that game sold.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xY-NSNhgydY

    then there is stalker clear skies as well.

    game play sells not voice or acting.

    what would say to will wrights spore.

    If any thing I think there is alot of pc game haters in the Industry!

    #88 5 years ago
  89. David Macphail

    Blackdreamhunk’s parents obviously beat him as a child……how sad. Anyone who thinks Crysis looks better than Killzone 2 either needs glasses or has glasses but also has learning difficulties.

    PC gaming has been dead since the PS2 came out. Multi – platform games ALWAYS sell better on consoles. Console exclusives ALWAYS sell better than PC exclusives – how do you explain that, moron?

    #89 5 years ago
  90. Kalain

    Should post here more often.. :)

    David: Graphics are depending on the person. To me KZ2 looked nice, but Crysis nips it by its sheer size and view distance. So graphics are in the eye of the beholder, for instance, I think the graphics to Baldurs Gate II demolishes the graphics for Final Fantasy VII, but thats my opinion.

    As for multi-platform games, of course consoles are going to sell more than the PC because Sony and MS give the company money to help develop the game. Plus, MS and Sony have dedicated marketing departments for the 360 and PS3 whilst the PC has, who? The PC has no central source, whilst consoles do.

    PC gaming dead since PS2? Sorry, disagree, due to the cyclic nature of console lifespan. Again, this came about because Sony pumped money into various companies to make games for it. Simple as that.

    PC gaming, overall, is not dying and never has been, but it is changing, and moving to a more digital solution whilst consoles still heavily rely on retail sales, and thats what people see on the store shelves.

    #90 5 years ago
  91. blackdreamhunk

    spore and sims are good exmaples

    here i have more links more proof

    http://blogs.ft.com/techblog/2009/06/top-execs-abandon-consoles-for-social-gaming/

    http://uk.games.ign.com/articles/103/1036254p1.html

    http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20090506005551&newsLang=en

    http://www.istockanalyst.com/article/viewarticle/articleid/3386904

    http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/retailing/article6628517.ece

    http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/consoles-could-soon-become-niche-products-playfish

    http://www.warcry.com/articles/view/interviews/6413-Sean-McCann-The-Rise-of-the-Online-Gaming-PC

    http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/31/video-game-makers-seeing-red/

    http://www.mediapost.com/publications/?fa=Articles.showArticle&art_aid=108747

    this just some links I can find on the net

    pc gaming is the must play platform in the world

    http://blog.nielsen.com/nielsenwire/consumer/world-of-warcraft-playstation-2-continue-most-played-gaming-trend/

    #91 5 years ago
  92. David Macphail

    Kalain – PC gaming may not be dead but as console gaming has picked up steam ever since the launch of the Playstation/N64 PC gaming has seen a sharp decline. Console’s are dominating the sales charts and many die – hard PC gamers (Such as Blackdreamhunk) cannot accept that, i guess some people just don’t like change :P

    More and more developers are putting more and more of their time and resources into consoles and moving away from the PC market simply because if they don’t they could end up bankrupt. The days of the PC exclusive are coming to a close.

    #92 5 years ago
  93. blackdreamhunk

    more like more and more console game devs go bankuprt

    Oh @Psychotext

    unchrat 2 is junk compared to pc gaming games

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCkWKBmUCTQ

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkoi6WCCJHY

    #93 5 years ago