Bayonetta demo – PS3 vs 360 screens

It’s sad to see the PS3 treated to yet another loveless port. In this case though, it’s clear the game should have been a 360 exclusive title. The engine was totally programmed to make best use of 360 architecture, and with Platinum having no prior PS3 experience, it’s clear that no provisions were made for the eventual PS3 port.

Sega do have a good bit of PS3 experience at this point though, but I agree with Psychotext, I think a lot of the games softer look is going to be down to Quincunx antialiasing being used in place of the MSAA, with possibly a resolution downgrade to boot.

This game should have been a timed exclusive for M$ and called Bullet Witch 2

Ffs, commenting on this site is unbelievable these days. I pretty much stopped visiting Kotaku to avoid these kinds of nonsense fuelled flame wars.

I would love to see this exact level (or lack thereof) of debating prowess played out in real life. I would pay in fact to watch these bizarre people desperately coming to the defense of a piece of consumer electronics that they have no personal ownership of.

I understand the comparison thing for the sake of genuinely finding out which of your systems to buy a game for. But lets face it the number of people who use them for those purposes are few to say the least.

@theevilaires

Ha, or that yeah.

Timed exclusive wouldn’t have been a bad idea though. It would have given Sega more time to squeeze out a better showing from the PS3 port. I wonder if we’ll see any improvement at all with the western release. I’m guessing…no.

It doesn’t even matter. Any true respectable gamer knows this game is not worth $60 anyway. Like I said I’ll rent it, get the Platinum trophy,and then buy it for $20 next year.

“I would love to see this exact level (or lack thereof) of debating prowess played out in real life. I would pay in fact to watch these bizarre people desperately coming to the defense of a piece of consumer electronics that they have no personal ownership of.”

There really is nothing like it in any other industry. I saw a really good example of this the other day. On an electronic products review site that I visit regularly, they allow you to comment on reviews and stories. Usually, you get anything between 0-10 comments, generally just commenting on the product, asking questions about it, etc.

As soon as they put a PS3 slim review up… BOOM! Fanboys invade!

No-one does fanboy war like gamers… No matter where you go to read about/discuss games there’ll almost always be people taking offence for their favourite console/game.

There’s nothing like it for any other product on the market…

Er, can someone explain to me what’s so bad about the PS3 version? I can’t see it.

I mean, the 360 version looks better, but the PS3 version still looks absolutely fine. It still looks really good. It’s not like it looks like a NES game.

OH MY GOD THERE’S A PIXEL MISSING.

.. anyone?

HEY, YOU LEAVE THE NES OUT OF THIS, YOU!!!

(hehe…)

tried the demo today, it is incredible. awesome, stylish DMC style hack n slash. definetely getting the game.

Dr.Ghetto – want to see some real cloning – play UC.

I mean, the 360 version looks better, but the PS3 version still looks absolutely fine. It still looks really good. It’s not like it looks like a NES game.

the clocktower prologue is missing from the ps3 demo, which seems to be the worst offender, but most people should be concerned about the tearing and frame rate drops on the ps3 side, in terms of detail it’s not as bad as, say, ghostbusters.

I didnt notice and framerate drops or screen tearing on the PS3 version tbh.

They are there though, unfortunately. Another shoddy port, which is a crying shame, as I actually wanted the ps3 version to be better; much prefer the dual shock for these kind of games.

Anyways, we’ll know for sure once the final US/EU code hit and Digital Foundry went crazy with it. Let’s hope they optimize the hell out of it. Still tempted to import though, not a whole lot of good games coming out this winter.

Rumour is Bayonetta might be the only region-locked PS3 game, you might want to watch out if you do import it.

“Still tempted to import though, not a whole lot of good games coming out this winter.”

Seriously? Come on now.

Don’t worry Gekidami, I do my research.

Uncontested: See, you are right, there are a lot of games coming out, but to me, Bayonetta is the one I’ve been looking forward to the most. Everything else (except L4D2) can wait

Pff my Master System could take your NES any damn day of the week…

DaMan said:
“Dr.Ghetto – want to see some real cloning – play UC.”

Are you refering to Uncharted?

yes I do. that comment of mine made as much sense as yours, buddy.

@ mescaline – ” the clocktower prologue is missing from the ps3 demo, which seems to be the worst offender,”
yeah but btw, the PS3 one has a bonus boss fight.

…not on weekends though, just to be clear. :p

“UC” is ‘Umbrella Chronicles’ to me… Just saying… :p

“I would love to see this exact level (or lack thereof) of debating prowess played out in real life. I would pay in fact to watch these bizarre people desperately coming to the defense of a piece ofconsumer electronics that they have no personal ownership of.”

Don’t hold your breath.

For whoever called this a “loveless” port… are you kidding? The different in the graphics between the 360 and PS3 version is so negligible as to be completely insignificant.

The 360 version appears to slightly shaper textures, and more vivid colours, but it also has more jaggies than the PS3 version, which looks a little smoother.

Bloody hell, people will whinge about anything these days.

@Geki I’ll be less subtle next time =P

I downloaded the 360 demo this morning, it’s good fun, although I found it a bit hard to see what was going on some of the time and I think a joypad with auto-fire might be needed if I don’t want RSI from all the button mashing.

I think the easiest way to sum the game up is to say it’s a DMC clone where the main character’s clothes come off whenever she performs long combos. And that should be enough to sell it to most people.

Yes but you’re over looking the fact that the PS3 version also has a shoddy framerate and tearing (apparently) Michael.

Hahaha. Here’s the difference…buddy…

Bayonetta demo looks and feels like a straight up DMC clone. With a bit of a Ninja Gaiden level design feel. Where’s the advancement? Wheres the originality? That demo wasn’t too different from many other titles currenlty available in it’s playability, look, and overall feel. I personally think God of War 2 looks and plays better.

Uncharted 2 takes elements from multiple previous games (ie. Gears of War, Tomb Raider, Prince of Persia, etc) and ADVANCES/PERFECTS the gameplay in combination with amazingly beautiful never seen before graphics, tight/responsive as hell controls, and well thought out fresh level design. Uncharted 2 is no clone my friend. It’s an evolution.

If you fail to see the difference between cloning and evolving, then our discussion is complete.

Peace!

Yes but you’re over looking the fact that the PS3 version also has a shoddy frame-rate and tearing (apparently) Michael.

It doesn’t have a shoddy frame-rate, contrary to popular assumptions. I never noticed a single drop in frame-rate, and if it does exist, it likely only exists in older builds the press got to play. Any tearing that does exist is seriously minuscule.

It’s just the internet blowing the tiniest thing completely out of proportion, as it is famously known for.

It’s very easy to notice tiny little differences in a still photo, but when the game is running in high definition at 60fps on your lovely 32″ HD-TV… you’re not going to notice. Or care. Regardless of what format you’re playing it on.

The 360 and PS3 have entirely different architecture. There are always going to be minute difference in how things look. But this is hardly liking comparing a PS3 game to a PS2 game. They’re practically identical.

“Where’s the advancement? Wheres the originality?”

The advancements are in the nuances of the combat, how the different moves flow into each other and how much advantage you can gain in combat out of your own pure skill. It’s hard to judge just how much that has evolved through a single demo though, which is probably what lets it down a bit.

The hardcore are going to be mulling over this with a fine-tooth comb though, and being a huge fan of intricate combat design, I’m looking forward to seeing what they find.

@Dr.G – buddy, Bayonetta’s moves alone makes this game quite different from DMC. have you seen the torture attack, or breakdance? and that was only a 15 minutes demo. I wouldn’t bring NG into this because it ‘s a very different type of game. Bayonetta/DMC is about stylish combos, while NG allows more strategy in battles, the attacks are way more precise.

Uc is a game that rips off many of the classic ones released before. but it does that right, I admit. it is in no way ‘evolution’, it’s just a very nice, quality rip off. if fantastic visuals are enough for you to call it ‘evolving’, then so be it.

Michael, please do not confuse a perfectly playable game with a sound port.

Is Bayonetta PS3 playable? Abso-effing-lutely.
Should you invest in it if you can get the 360 version? Until further notice: no, no, no.

Bayonetta’s level design, look and feel, is very similar to Ninja Gaiden is what I said. Not gameplay. Gameplay is straight-up DMC.

Yes i’ve seen the moves in the demo and was definitley not impressed…lol.

As I stated, UC2 is not just about the visuals, but also INCREDIBLY tight game play, awesome level design, and polish in every single corner with regards to presentation (this is more than just graphics ) ala Arkham Asylum.

Sorry my opinion offended you, but Bayonetta demo did nothing for me and, from what they showed us in the demo, I’m pretty confident the reviews will reflect an average rating at best.

Cheers!

Yeah, I’m sure akrham asylum’s laughable 1 button combat is tighter than Bayonetta’s combo system.

And also, a game by the same man who brought us Resident Evil 2, Okami, Devil May Cry 1 and Viewtiful joe will be “average at best”.

well, and I have a feeling Bayonetta is what DMC4 should’ve been. it’s demo reminds me of how I felt when playing the first DMC back then. I’ll be very much surprised if the full game gets anything lower than 8-9.

and btw, ‘polish’, ‘tight controls’ and etc are about quality, that’s hardly evolution.

So more buttons equal better gameplay according to mescaline. Got it. Yes to your 2nd point btw.

If you’ve been playing Arkham Asylum using 1 button for combos you’re doing it very, very wrong.

Akrham Asylum hardly has 1 button combat.
Without Triangle= Counter, Circle= Stun, and X= Dodge you’re not going to get very far. Not to mention L1 for Batarang and R2 for Batclaw.

no, more buttons does not equal better gameplay, but I’d say that the system bayonetta is based on is a tad deeper than arkham, and thus, requires way more work.

So Batmans “1 button combos” are laughable, Bayonetta’s system is a TAD deeper, thus WAY more demanding. That’s what you saying?

We’re done here.

A “perfect” combo on Arkham Asylum involves all 4 face buttons and both triggers, plus a shit load of planning to keep it flowing. Never played Bayonetta, but can it say the same? DMC can’t.

well, obviously “tad” was reverse hyperbole. I’d say it’s a metric fuckton deeper.

At least we agree that UC2 is going to be incredible

“a game by the same man who brought us Resident Evil 2, Okami, Devil May Cry 1 and Viewtiful joe”

Seriously?

AND a naked woman? See, now I’m suddenly interested in this game… :p

So when’s the demo out for the european marketplace, anyone know?

Aye, we do agree on that last point for sure. I like a good debate that can end on a positive note

Scyrenn, you can create a JP account.

can’t comment on AA, never played that one. Batman = insta fail for me. I can’t play as him.

I guess I could, yes, but I’m just too damn lazy…

Well I guess I can give it a try…

scyrenn, if by Marketplace you are referring to XBL, knock yourself right out:
http://www.wearetheinternetz.com/2009/10/08/download-the-bayonetta-first-climax-demo-for-xbox-360-here/

also, just so we’re clear, I thought Arkham Asylum was pretty cool, but my heart belongs to Bayonetta <3

Scyrenn, it took me about 10 minutes =P.

also, MS don’t ban for that, right?.. right?

no they don’t. they ban for pirating ODST

No They don’t…. The only people that get ban for pirating are ones not using Scene Releases or do not how to stealth patch properly. There is no way for them to tell the difference between Pirated and Retail.

… that’s what they would like you to believe
just kidding, yeah, you’re right. anyway, no ban for downloading the bayonetta demo.

@Michael O’Connor

“It doesn’t have a shoddy frame-rate, contrary to popular assumptions. I never noticed a single drop in frame-rate, and if it does exist, it likely only exists in older builds the press got to play. Any tearing that does exist is seriously minuscule.”

Well as the person who described it as a loveless port, I have to say that your summary of the PS3 demo is by quite some distance the kindest I’ve read thus far. If you’re right, and the frame drops and screen tearing are at a bare minimum, then I assure you that nobody will be more delighted than me.

I believe Digital Foundry are planning an analysis, so whilst I totally agree that getting bent out of shape over frame drops which only ten thousand pound computer equipment can even detect is one of the banes of the current generation, they will be able to show us if it is indeed fine to play or a complete car wreck.

Even the 360 version drops into the 30s in many places… so if the PS3 version is worse (I’ve played neither but seen analysis for one) then it’s pretty unacceptable for a 60fps game.

It would take me more than 10 minutes, I assure you… :p

Not gonna burn a dvd either, thanks anyway… (if only for the funny site name )

What I am gonna do instead is go out for drinks, seems like the better plan, there’s girls there too ffs… Not that they ever respond to any of my commands… ^^’