PS3 Firmware 3.0 – Grief reporting, reputation system, background patches, multiple audio outputs, more [Update]

No voice chat?

The audio thing is the biggest plus for me. I hate having to switch outputs when I’m swapping between my TV and my projector (which uses a separate sound system to my telly)

I see where this is going….Slim PS3 + Major Firmware + Price Cut = Win…maybe…

Wow… Weapons of mass destruction.

It makes me wonder what you’ll save up for even rainier days. xD

Seriously, this is great, but it’s how it SHOULD be.

Totally gutted.

RIP Mike.

SWEET

I’ll believe when I see it, who’s the source?

“Just remember where you heard it first.”

That’ll be some N4G thread then.

No voice chat? No screen shot/print screen yet for games/videos (this one SEEMS like it shouldn’t be too difficult to patch)?

Are they listening to what consumers want..?

@Razor
@Dr.Ghettoblaster

“We’ve been told a lot more on this, but you’ll just have to wait. Rest assured, 3.0 will be significant”

Good point pud – thx!

While we’re on the subject, you know what else would be really cool? Some sort of built in FRAPS type ability to record 30 seconds or so video of ANY game or ANY video and create an original file. Just a suggestion.

The HDMI and digital optical outputting is bizarre, because if the hardware already allows it, why couldn’t it just have been put in in the first place?

But Sony, what we really need is a new boot up screen!! I’m getting tired of listening to a fucking orchestra every time I boot up.

Bring back the classic PS1 boot up screen I say…

Clock fix?

No, moving a few pixel can’t be done.

@jonarob: Why didn’t you pick one of the launch units up? Or one of the software emulation iterations? If you had, then you’d have the functionality, wouldn’t you? Too late to bitch about it now…

@Razor: voice chat is already in there…

@razor: or do you mean something else? or perhaps a more clear description…

@Warlock7

maybe because he didn’t have money for it. I had tto buy the newer system too because I wasn’t going to upchuck a grand so I can play Ps2 games.

Ps2 Emulation is something they should do instead of dropping the price for a system that has no HD functionalty. Have you ever played the Ps2 on a HD tv it looks like shit like PSOne graphics only shittier in some cases.

Sony needs to get with the program and make PS2 emulation for all newer PS3 systems.

@warlock7:

just for kicks, try talking to a buddy while playing, say, killzone 2, who is NOT playing the same game at that moment.

get back to me when you did.

ok, see? on 360 — totally possible. on ps3? why not?!

@lk

Because M$ owns the patent for that

The voice chat currently in is not the one people want.

PS2 emulation makes no sense while they’re currently losing money on the PS3. Have you not seen how many PS2′s are being sold? Over 100,000 every NPD now it’s $99.

It’s easy money…and developers keep supporting it, so there’s no need to put emulation back in the PS3.

Besides, the PS3 doesn’t have a dedicated AA chip unlike the PS2, which is why it’s pretty difficult to emulate PS2 on PS3, and it’s why the PS2 software solution on European PS3 systems is very dodgy.

Then make a Ps2 with HD Functionalty either or I would like to play my PS2 games and I can’t without it being pixelated to hell atm.

I don’t. I have it and I hardly ever use it because I played all my old PS2 games and now only play the new PS3 games.

Sony are not going to even consider putting PS2 emulation back into PS3s until PS2 hardware sales flatline.

Think it through.

There’s the tiny matter that the ‘emulation’ still required the PS2 GPU hardware to be there, it’s wasn’t software only and some devs have said the PS2 GPU would be very difficult to emulate on the PS3 hardware.

I mean…. they must be kicking themselves that they can’t flog PS2 games over PSN for a start.

As for cross-game chat, I know a number of people who’d love that, namely my sister-in-law and her boyfriend, both PS3 owners, and the only ‘game’ they have in common to chat within is Home. Which is arse.

@Phoenixblight: are you sure MS own the patent for cross-game chat? I’ve heard nothing about that, although I’ve heard MS own the patent for the particular method of custom soundtracks they use on 360.

“Some software emulation wouldn’t be a difficult thing to implement with a firmware update.”

But it would. It’s difficult to achieve PS2 software emulation on PS3…look at the PS2 software emulation European PS3′s…it’s woeful.

And unless that was a dodgy effort, there’s no way we’ll see software emulation put back in until the emulation software is absolutely completely 100% watertight locked down sorted out.

Putting PS2 games on the store with the kind of PS2 emulation that’s currently in my original 60gb PS3 would result in a lot of complaints, as the emulation is very poor, and half my PS2 games kept freezing when I played them.

And third parties are not going to go back just to re-code old PS2 games to play on PS3. We’ll probably be waiting until the PS4 before we get PS1, PS2 and PS3 titles all on the store, as Sony are likely to have realised that BC is important, and having a PS4 that plays PS1,2,3 titles off the bat would be a huge win, and wouldn’t confuse the customer.

With voice chat, I was under the impression that MS own the patent for the “traditional” way of doing voice chat through the hardware, which is why it’s taking Sony time to figure out how to do it without infringing on a MS patent.

Cross game/media bar/video/basically anywhere chat is what I think most people want the most. Xboxlive has it, PSN does not. Hell I can’t even chat in the same GAME with a friend on PSN unless we’re in the same session/lobby and the game supports it. For those who may not know, Xlive you can have one person in one game and another in a different game (or watching a movie, or in the menus) and they can voice chat live real time).

I don’t see why they can’t AT MINIMUM give us the ability to send 30 second voice messages, rather than text, ala Xlive.

@Retroid

Its a theory you could sift through the patent list to see if thats the case but the cross game chat is something that has been mentioned on other forums and sites that M$ owns the rights to it. Not sure if its true but it does sound like something M$ would do.

Sounds great, but need more info. Thanks.

On another note: So you mean to tell me that the super great Cell processor is not capable of emulating the PS2 GPU?

I mean Sony and many others have said this is the NEXT GEN, BEST PROCESSOR to date and being used in MANY other applications. Yet, they themselves can’t emulate a technology they built and improve upon it? Sorry, I highly doubt that.

I think it is possible, they are just making people wait for it since to them it isn’t important now. Just like the price cut.

PS2 emulation isn’t an issue of complexity or cost. PS2 emulation in PS3 has *always* been hardware powered. Originally by two chips, then by one. It’s *never* been software only. It’s also got fuck-all to do with the capabilities of the Cell processor (*good* developers can achieve wonders on *any* hardware!). Why invest a ton of development R&D costs into something that’s not going to make you any money and, worse still, will actively damage you revenue in another market? Any ‘expert’ want to answer that question, hmm?

Sony are not going to consider killing their profits and crippling their PS2 hardware revenue by giving it away for free in their unprofitable PS3.

When PS2 hardware sales die then Sony have little to lose by putting PS2 emulation into PS3s. Until then they’ll be throwing away a very large amount of revenue.

And, as always on this topic: Can any of you “Sony should give me PS2 emulation cos I say so!” folk tell me what PS2 games you are intending to buy?

Again – think it through (from a commercial viewpoint, not a selfish one) – why would a company do this if it’s going to cripple revenue from one market (PS2 hardware sales) and NOT bring in any revenue from another market (PS2 software sales).

Ain’t gonna happen. Not until PS2 hardware sales die.

The Cell or RSX does not have a dedicated edram unit like what was part of the GS in the PS2.

It’s one of the big flaws of the PS3, that it doesn’t have edram, unlike the 360, and is incidentally one of the reasons why more multiplat 360 games look better on 360 than PS3

The PS2 had AA? This is news to me!

The PS3 I have plays PS2 games just fine. Passed Shadow of the Colossus on my PS3.

“I already have a PS2. I’m not going to buy another one. Some software emulation wouldn’t be a difficult thing to implement with a firmware update.”

You’re not the centre of the universe.

The lack of backward compatibility in new machines is a financially driven decision to up sales of the PS2. Deal with it.

Exactly Michael.
People need to stop bitching about PS2 emulation. If you wanted it so bad, should have got a PS3 when it had it.

I rather Sony concetrate on cross game,chat and others things to move the PS3 forward.

We need to wait for another rainy day before Pat will share.

Well these are some of the least exciting features I can think of. Sounds less like a system overhaul and more like an fairly average update to me.

re: PS2 BC.
Shatner’s right. A backwards compatible PS3 is bad news for both PS2 hardware sales and PS3 software sales. Both of which are crucial for Sony at the moment.

But selling PS2 games over PSN would be Rather Excellent, surely that’s a given? I’m sure they’ve seen MS slapping up some games on Xbox Originals and wished they could do the same.

As for PS3 BC, my Euro 60gb plays *most* of the PS2 games I’ve tried on it just fine, I’ve been playing Yakuza 2 and been picking up cheapo PS2 bargain bin games recently to play on it. Mr Moskeeto (sp?) and Space Invaders Anniversary to name but two

It craps itself trying to play the first Jak game though, and the glitchy textures in Silent Hill 4 are a pity, though

I would just be happy they would put HD funtionalty to the Ps2 with the newer versions. It sucks because I have a whole library of Ps2 games and I can’t play them because they look horrible on HD. How is it PS games look about the same as they did on a SD tv but when you play PS2 on a HD tv it looks worse then some PS1 games.

Updated

“Right, seriously. Are we gamers or Sony shareholders? Who gives a fuck?”

Sony’s shareholders, that’s who.

It is reasonable to accept this, or would you rather the company lost even more money? If they don’t have money, they can’t stay afloat. If they don’t stay afloat… no PS2, PS3, or PSP.

COMPLETELY UNTRUE!!!

Jonarob – go bitch and moan to the people that complained about the price…which IF you didn’t get one right away includes you.
Next time do be such a tight ass…..
Ps. I’m loving my sd,memory stick card readers too..

Can we have music import,please?
I want to listen to Amon Amarth while playing GoWIII

So you’d be happy for the entire games division to go bust due to crippling their own revenue streams just so they can give you the PS2 emulation you’re demanding in order to save you fiddling with a few cables near you TV.

Yup. Sounds perfectly reasonable.

Oh, and you didn’t ‘request’ it, you ‘demanded’ it.

Here’s something else that’s reasonable: treating someone who acts like a petulant, self-centered teenager as though they’re a petulant self-centered teenager.

Either way, PS2 emulation ain’t going to happen for the reasons already clearly stated. Pretty goodamn reasonable reasons that rely on common sense and the ability to accept that the world doesn’t revolve around one person.

So with that in mind, stomp upstairs, slam your bedroom door, put on some emo music because the world is an unfair place and throw yourself onto your bed and thump your pillow in anguish. Your misdirected demands are not going to be met any time soon.

Seraphemz said: Ps. I’m loving my sd,memory stick card readers too..

LMAO!!!!

@Jonarob, as much as I like reading Shatner’s posts; he is living proof that having great communication and verbal skills is not the same as having high intelligence.

He would probably do well in either the PR or political worlds…

It’s such a sunny day out there but this is gonna get interesting…

“So what if there’s no PS2, PSP or PS3? I’ll just play everything on my Xbox, Wii and PC.”

Followed up by a very entertaining “It only makes sense when I say it, not anyone else” approach with:

“You’re being utterly ridiculous. You think Sony’s entire games division would go bust if they put backwards compatibility back in the PS3? I’ve never heard something so downright silly in all my life. What the hell is wrong with you?”

I’ve seen insularity a lot on this site but you’re rapidly ascending the ranks of some long-standing nonces.

With regards to you acting like a petulant teenager – hypocrisy, insularity and repeated name-calling on your part aren’t doing much to shake the notion that that’s exactly what you are.

You want a feature? Good for you. Ain’t gonna happen. Get over it.