Valve says PS3 is too complex for game development

“The staggering lack of thought and dependency on superficial remarks taken at face value as ‘experts’ go about telling each other how development does or doesn’t work is hilariously tragic.”

I smell irony.

@47 Are they?

Tell that to Naughty Dog!!

Oh Mike. I love it when you stroll into a topic and think that vacuously challenging what someone else has said is the same as making a counterpoint. That you ALWAYS do it to the same person.. ..well, that just goes back to what I said to you about your fondness for discrimination doesn’t it? Don’t worry, I’m sure you ignored all that and will just do your highly effective internet shrug.

Remember Mike, your actions speak for more loudly then your, mostly empty, words.

Still. Go check out some of O’Connor’s INFINITE FACTS. I think you’ll see they substantiate my views more than adequately.

(Or you can just ignore all the stuff that supports my views and giggle around pretending that I’m making it all up – your selective reasoning is always fun to watch!).

Off you scamper. There’s a good boy!

Or, tell you what, why don’t you give us some of YOUR insights into day-to-day software development Mike? You’re obviously far more experienced that those you dscriminately seek to dismiss. Why don’t you enlighten us all with your bountiful expertise instead of empty statements that amount to nothing other than a childish effort to look big on the internet. Let’s hear it Mikey boy? Come on old bean.

Sheesh, I bet you wouldn’t even be able to quote me the most recent XDK release without getting help from some 360 crony!

Come on big guy. Let’s see you say something with a bit of substance instead of your blatant empty posturing!

55 comments and climbing…………i love it.

Hahaha… I only had to look at the title to know this thread would be golden.

@52: One incident among dozens of Best Employer awards still equals a great employer. Everyone I have met who is not on an agency contract with them loves them dearly.

Well Psycho, it seems a lot of people are intent of filling the topic out with empty posturing or mocking from the sidelines (sound familiar?). Not that you ever check your own behaviour when you’re so busy judging others huh?

Still, I’m bookmarking this thread for INFINITE lols coming from O’Connor’s ‘facts’ about game development.

Any of you experts want to quote me the most recent XDKs and firmware releases to show me just how awesomely in touch with your subject you are, I’m all ears.

Man up, boys and girls. No cheating now!

@57 – So you’re basically agreeing with my jokey implication that you can’t assume anyone that’s ever worked for Microsoft, past or present, can be trusted to express a truly impartial view on their output.

Thanks. I knew you’d see it my way.

this convo’s taken a turn for the worse…i’m audi-5000!

gabe newell was a microsoft big hat.

they are a microsoft company.

its not a big shock.

its old news.

In this case Shatner, I’m quite happy to stand on the sidelines and laugh. I’m content doing that whilst judging others too.

Enjoy another 100+ post argument over nothing. You’re not going to draw me into it.

@59: Actually, yes, I am saying that, oddly enough.

@61: They aren’t a Microsoft company if you mean they are owned in anyway by them.

I’d actually forgotten they were all Microsoft. I can still remember the whole September 30th 2003 shit storm though

That’s 2 posts you’ve contributed whilst trying to assert your indifference and disinterest, Psycho.

You seem to share Mike’s amusingly insular lack of comprehension that your actions often betray your clever-sounding words.

C’mon bigboy, make another reply telling me how you’re not making replies – it’ll be as much fun as when O’Connor repeatedly quotes me and tells me he’s ignoring me!

*insert michael jackson popcorn gif here*

Pffft

do i hear…..68……….68……can we make it to 69………69……?

This thread is full of laughs

Sixty-ninth! Woohoo.

PS Valve complaining about PlayStation is like the Anti-Nazi League complaining about the recent BNP election success. Automatic and predictable.

Move on.

“Or, tell you what, why don’t you give us some of YOUR insights into day-to-day software development Mike? You’re obviously far more experienced that those you dscriminately seek to dismiss. Why don’t you enlighten us all with your bountiful expertise instead of empty statements that amount to nothing other than a childish effort to look big on the internet. Let’s hear it Mikey boy? Come on old bean.”

That’s the whole point of the post I made: You never back uo anything you say. It’s always along the lines of “you lot don’t know anything, I do” but you offer no proof. You then criticise people for listening to so-called internet experts but you fail to see that’s exactly what you are, or at least how you come across. Which is funny.

I’m not telling anyone I know better or their ideas are off-base. As if I did, I’d back it up, innit.

I’m also not implying you don’t know anything, but until I see otherwise, I’m going to assume it’s the case. Not that you care what I assume, of course.

No one’s dragging me into this banter.
I’m going to sleep with a kittun

these articles are like voodoo talismans. You get one of em online and Shatner arises writing essays on essays. Worst thing is that someone actually replies

“Tell that to Naughty Dog!!”
and Full STOP.

Valve just don’t want to put in the time to learn how to program games on the PS3. Big deal there are plenty of PS3 developers that don’t care to develop anything on the 360.

Developers do draw lines in the sand they do pick sides. Maybe not in the same context as fan-boys do but they do. You know what who cares I enjoy games I leave the line in the sand bullshit to the teenagers.

lets break the record for 500 dammit, i’ll gas it up. fuck valve, gabe newell you fat fuck burn in hell

I love you all..”Waving” OMG I just had a wardrobe malfunction, My pasty fell off, oh wait I am a dood…Now I must walk around showing my nipple proudly…and also wonder why I was Wearing a Pasty???

I can understand why Valve say they don’t want to do PS3 stuff. That’s their decision.

What I can’t understand is why they don’t just farm the PS3 ports off to a third party, like everyone else does.

“Well Psycho, it seems a lot of people are intent of filling the topic out with empty posturing or mocking from the sidelines (sound familiar?).”

The irony of this remark is lost on no-one. =)

“The 360 collective always enjoy theses sorts of comments from Valve and always like to ignore Newell’s “360 makes my life harder” comment from some years back.”

How does one comment by one person many years back equate to the same as *many* developers saying something on a regular, monthly basis? It doesn’t. <3 And I’m far from a 360 faithful, my dear child. *smiles* My favourite games of the current generation are all PS3 exclusives, including LittleBigPlanet.

“Michael, go speak to a genuine software developer (instead of pretending to be one).”

I have. Regularly. And I *am* one, noob. <3

Sorry Shat, not going to bite to the rest of your flame baiting. =)

“Watch, you’ll probably ARGUE something I just said…”

“MY POINT was simply this…….if other companies can do it….then Valve can to….if they wanted to…simple as that.”

You’re trying to compare applies to oranges here. You’re trying to compare a carpenter to a mechanic.

Naughty Dog (just to use one example) is a consoles games producer, and a first party producer at that. Their staff is made up people hired to focus on Sony’s format *only*. Valve is a third party PC developer, who port to the 360 because it’s piss-easy to port PC games onto it.

“But they don’t. Big deal. Who gives a fuck?”

20,000+ people, apparently. *laughs*

“Maybe it’s laziness, maybe they just don’t care for Sony. Maybe they’re idiots. Maybe they’re smart for avoiding Sony.”

Maybe they just don’t care to create a new division in their company and hire 50 more staff just to port games to the PS3. This is something they’ve pointed out *numerous* times. And considering we’re in the middle of a recession, risks like that aren’t worth the cash.

“All i know is Naughty Dog and the Uncharted series is some of the best videogaming I have ever experienced IN MY LIFE on ANY platform, and they did it on the “infinitely complex” PS3.”

Because they’re a wholly owned subsidiary of Sony, who exist purely to do just that. And I do agree, Uncharted *is* one of the best gaming experiences I’ve had either. It’s a beautiful game and a true merit to technical prowess and smart design.

And okay, I’ll bite. Using the words “infinitely complex” was an overblown statement. I was being flashy with my words. Would “fairly more complex” be better? =P

“It’s not like they’re producing tons of great games. Give me the Half-Life and Portal series and I’m a happy man.”

They might not make loads of games, but every single one Valve *does* make always ends up oozing quality and refinement. I’d rather have those great games on the PC and 360, instead of wasting time on a weak PS3 port, time that could be invested into creating more new titles.

If people don’t own all the formats, its their own fault if they don’t get to play a certain game.

“What I can’t understand is why they don’t just farm the PS3 ports off to a third party, like everyone else does.”

Because that costs money, and right now, money is a hard thing to come by for any business.

Lets not forget that E.A. did do a PS3 port of The Orange Box, but we all know how well that turned out…