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Sony had “no other choice” but to include Blu-ray in PS3

Wednesday, 10th June 2009 15:01 GMT By Patrick Garratt

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PlayStation mega-chief Kaz Hirai told the Guardian at E3 last week that Blu-ray was the only choice for PS3′s drive.

“Purely from a gaming standpoint there was no other choice for us,” he said. “Why? The capacity of the disc. Last year’s Metal Gear Solid 4 was pushing 50GB as it was. If it was on DVD it would have been a 6 disc set.”

Going multi-disc to such an extent wasn’t an option, said the exec.

“The packaging and cost would have been prohibitive and it would have been hugely inconvenient to consumers,” he added.

“So from a gaming standpoint there was really no choice if you wanted a high definition gaming experience.”

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  1. Blerk

    I agree that you had no choice Kaz, but at least give the real reason why you had to include it instead of retreading the whole ‘omg, games are impossible on DVD!’ rubbish.

    #1 5 years ago
  2. Robster1979

    MGS4 hadn’t even been dreamt about when the PS3 was being conceived so wheres the relevance?

    Cock!

    #2 5 years ago
  3. blackdreamhunk

    If they wanted to sell any kind of tech the best places is pc gamers. that is if they wanted to make real money!!!

    http://software.intel.com/en-us/blogs/2009/04/20/how-pc-gaming-helps-shape-the-future-of-computing/

    maybe sony should have did their resech well into gaming before making dum moves that will cost them billions of dallars.

    #3 5 years ago
  4. Doomsayer

    Everytime Sony repeats that BS i loose more and more respect for them. Even as a huge PS3 and PSP Fan…. So sad they think we are completely retarded…

    #4 5 years ago
  5. Doomsayer

    And btw MGS4 would have been way better without that 50 hours of movie between the game scenes ;)

    #5 5 years ago
  6. Robo_1

    Yes, the same old lollerskates from Kaz.

    If the generation does have legs until 2015 though, the storage capacity of Blu Ray could certainly yield benefits.

    #6 5 years ago
  7. Dr.Ghettoblaster

    1 DVD multiplatform GTA4 speaks volumes about the blu-ray vs DVD storage capacity comparison. The games fantastic on both systems. No 50GB needed here. HOWEVER, I can’t help but wonder how much potentially better GTA4 could have been if it was PS3 exclusive and had the ability to utilize 50GB of storage space..

    #7 5 years ago
  8. Psychotext

    “I can’t help but wonder how much potentially better GTA4 could have been if it was PS3 exclusive and had the ability to utilize 50GB of storage space”

    I doubt it would have been any better at all. The problem with GTA IV was not its graphics, textures or how big it was…

    #8 5 years ago
  9. jeremycafe

    I really don’t understand the comments here. How is that not a good enough reason for being the MAIN reason? Developers are more than happy to have more disk space to work with, and as games get bigger it only makes sense to go with a format that has more capacity and quality. If they didn’t go with Blu-ray, I would have never bought my ps3. But then again I don’t own any games for it either…its a good movie player :)

    “1 DVD multiplatform GTA4 speaks volumes about the blu-ray vs DVD storage capacity comparison. The games fantastic on both systems. No 50GB needed here.”

    Well compare visuals of the two games, and depth. GTA you remain in the same place the entire game, so level wise you save a lot of space.

    #9 5 years ago
  10. blackdreamhunk

    i wonder how good GTA 4 could pc if it was ony for pc!!!!!

    check out gta4 mods for pc, talk about drift :P flying planes mods and nude ones hahahaha

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oMDBKZhIOA&feature=fvsr

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ok7NmVRJNZU&feature=fvsr

    #10 5 years ago
  11. Blerk

    Because the real reason they included it was because they had to kick the shit out of HD-DVD before it even got started in order to sew up the market and reap the licensing benefits for the foreseeable future. And that’s not necessarily a bad thing, it’s good business – the PS3 was basically a trojan horse to get a huge Blu-Ray install base as quickly as possible.

    The ‘more space for games’ thing is a side-benefit and because it’s there, people will use it. But to say MGS4 would’ve been ‘impossible’ without that space is just nonsense – if the space wasn’t there, they’d have done things differently. The game would still have existed and wouldn’t have been on 6 discs.

    #11 5 years ago
  12. G1GAHURTZ

    “If they didn’t go with Blu-ray, I would have never bought my ps3. But then again I don’t own any games for it either…its a good movie player”

    IT’S YOU!!!

    You’re one of the guys that I’ve been hypothesising about!

    You’ve bought a PS3, so you add to the install base figures, but you don’t buy games… Why??

    You didn’t buy LBP, you didn’t buy KZ2, you didn’t buy MGS4, or GTA IV… Why wouldn’t you buy games just to get a liitle bit more value out of your purchase?

    I am geniunely interested, because the sales figures seem to point to you being part of a very large portion of PS3 owners…

    #12 5 years ago
  13. G1GAHURTZ

    i wonder how good GTA 4 could pc if it was ony for pc!!!!!

    The original GTA was PC only… how good was that!??

    #13 5 years ago
  14. Redh3lix

    Those wondering what GTA IV would have been like if it were a PS3 exclusive only need await the release of R* exclusive PS3 title “Agent”. Maybe then we’ll see what such a capacity difference can bring to a game. I expect quite a lot.

    #14 5 years ago
  15. Blerk

    We’ve not exactly seen a huge difference in game quality or size on the PS3 exclusives so far.

    #15 5 years ago
  16. DrDamn

    @G1GAHURTZ
    “I am geniunely interested, because the sales figures seem to point to you being part of a very large portion of PS3 owners…”

    Really? Which sales figures are those? The ones which show the PS3 has a comparable attach rate to the 360 at the same stage in it’s life? Or are you talking about mythical ones?

    #16 5 years ago
  17. G1GAHURTZ

    @ Blerk:

    That’s true.

    It’s not as if inFamous is particularly huge.

    #17 5 years ago
  18. G1GAHURTZ

    DId I mention attach rates???

    #18 5 years ago
  19. Redh3lix

    @ Blerk

    Being a predominantly PC gamer, I’ve found Killzone 2 simply astounding in what it does graphically with 32 player online. I’m not entirely sure a game of similar graphical prowess could be replicated on any other platform other than PC (a high powered PC rig at that).

    #19 5 years ago
  20. DrDamn

    How else would sales figures indicate “a very large portion of PS3 owners” don’t buy any games? The large number of multiplatform titles which perform proportionally based on installed user base? What are these mystical figures which back up your theory?

    #20 5 years ago
  21. G1GAHURTZ

    Have you got a link to that list of games’ sales figures Psychotext?

    I’m sure you know the one that I’m talking about.

    #21 5 years ago
  22. DrDamn

    What does the list show? (while we wait).

    #22 5 years ago
  23. sennasnit

    shut up dreamhunk

    #23 5 years ago
  24. blackdreamhunk

    lol yea drving cars with drift is sooo cool. then flying planes is real hot.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oMDBKZhIOA&feature=fvsr

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ok7NmVRJNZU&feature=fvsr

    the sex mods is really hot too. oh we even have a mod to make the graphics even better

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wtkG1VRNNw

    #24 5 years ago
  25. G1GAHURTZ

    Here’s what it shows:

    PS3 – Killzone 2 – 619k – 37 – 7.24m – 8.5%

    360 – Gears of War – 1000k – 17 – 2.89m – 34.6%

    Figures are: Copies sold, number of days, install base, attach rate

    These are only NPD, but they are figures, just the same.

    #25 5 years ago
  26. G1GAHURTZ

    Or compare Sony’s ‘biggest release of the year’, LBP with COD3…

    Little Big Planet – 356k – 34 – 5.65m – 6.3%

    Call of Duty 3 – 333k – 19 – 2.89m – 11.5%

    So why don’t PS3 players buy the consoles’ biggest and easily best games?

    It’s all I wanted to know…

    #26 5 years ago
  27. DrDamn

    You can’t look at individual titles and make a conclusion like that. You have to look at over all attach rates or consider a broad range of title. Shooters sell very well on the 360. If you really like shooters you’ll probably have a 360.

    Look at it this way. The installed user base of PS3′s is ~22.5m, 360′s ~30.5m. Therefore if a title is released on both and the same proportion of owners buy the game then you would expect PS3 sales figures to be ~74% of 360 sales figures.

    There are plenty of title which exceed that 74% though. Particularly if you look away from the shooters and look at more traditional PS fair. RE5, GTAIV, TR:Underworld, Assassin’s Creed, NfS Undercover, UFC2009 – all out perform that 74% worldwide. Shooters like CoD 4 & CoD:WaW are below the 74%.

    #27 5 years ago
  28. DrDamn

    With LBP you are comparing it to a game in a different genre. What’s the best selling traditional platformer on the 360? Sonic the Hedgehog? Banjo? They both barely broke 500k worldwide to an installed base of 30m. LBP selling over 2m to 22m customers is much more successful no?

    #28 5 years ago
  29. Psychotext

    “The installed user base of PS3’s is ~22.5m, 360’s ~30.5m. Therefore if a title is released on both and the same proportion of owners buy the game then you would expect PS3 sales figures to be ~74% of 360 sales figures.”

    That’s not actually how it works though… and if it was, then games such as San Andreas on the PS2 would have sold upwards of 30 million copies.

    #29 5 years ago
  30. DrDamn

    @PT
    When the installed user base is in the same ball park then it’s not a bad assertion.

    #30 5 years ago
  31. Captain Fruitloop

    Yay! It’s Kaz, with more of his random crazy talk stuff! Sony were never this entertaining when Big Phil was there.

    #31 5 years ago
  32. DrDamn

    Besides the core point is that G1GA is jumping from individual title sales to a conclusion that “a very large portion of PS3 owners” don’t buy any games. When if you look at the more sensible stat of attach rates there is no basis for this. The 360 has an exceptional attach rate, and when put into the context of comparing the same number sold or same point in it’s lifetime then the PS3 attach rates are comparable.

    #32 5 years ago
  33. Psychotext

    “When the installed user base is in the same ball park then it’s not a bad assertion.”

    Yeah, that’s fair enough. Anyway, if you want to see the most recent attach rate information, you can look here: http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=23308

    (just for the US)

    #33 5 years ago
  34. G1GAHURTZ

    I’m not really bothered about agreeing an algorithm to figure out whose overall attach rate is better and what not.

    At the end of the day, you have to take into consideration, things like prior releases, and a whole lot more.

    So for example, if Madden 2008 sells more on PS3 than on 360, then is it because PS3 owners are now buying more games than 360 owners, or is it because 360 owners already have Madden 2006 and 2007 and 2008 isn’t much different?

    The fact is that I look at LBP, and I see a supposed biggest release of the year, critically acclaimed game that is probably still winning awards even to this very day having comparible sales to a game that had a reasonable support and mixed reviews when it was released.

    I see one of the most hyped and talked about games in the history of gaming, a supposed system seller which, brought me very, very close to picking up a PS3 on an impulse, selling nowhere near a comparible game on the 360, and I’m genuinely stumped as to why…

    That’s whay I asked the question.

    Why are people buying the PS3 only for Blu Ray, and not getting some of the best games that have ever been developed, as was described above.

    Also, I tend to ignore overall attach rates, because you can put anything in there and say that someone has bought a game, including free XBLA and PSN games.

    #34 5 years ago
  35. DrDamn

    Shooters sell much better than platform games on PS3 and 360 – it’s a fact. No big conclusion about people just buying a PS3 for bluray.

    You said yourself you have to take into account a whole lot more when looking at individual titles. That’s why you can’t look at individual titles like this and draw those sort of conclusions. That’s why you have to look at over all figures like tie ratios and attach rates – but then they don’t seem to hold up your argument :).

    #35 5 years ago
  36. SniperWolf

    thank god for BLu-ray

    #36 5 years ago
  37. Syrok

    Evidence:

    My parents are considering buying a PS3 for watching photos and having a proper DVD/BD player. They are not interested in gaming at all.

    Conclusion:

    People buy a PS3 (or consoles in general) for other the media playback capabilities it has.

    #37 5 years ago
  38. DrDamn

    @Syrok
    That I don’t doubt. In fact a 360 Arcade pack is a very attractive proposition as a media streamer. It’s the “very large proportion” when applied to the PS3 I see no evidence of.

    #38 5 years ago
  39. G1GAHURTZ

    There you go.

    Another PS3 sale to add to the figures of owners who won’t be buying KZ2, Last Guardian, FF14, etc.

    OK, I take the “very large portion” back, if it upsets you that much.

    However, what I do or don’t assert doesn’t change the fact that about 90% of PS3 owners don’t seem to have an interest in its biggest games.

    #39 5 years ago
  40. DrDamn

    I think the PS brand has always been about a broad range of titles, a lot of them third party. Why would the PS3 any different? It’s a strength that the brand is not defined by certain titles in my opinion. When Sony entered the market the two big players were very much about Mario and Sonic. Sony have never really had a Mario or Sonic and that is a good thing. They have had big titles, big exclusives, but they haven’t individually defined the system.

    #40 5 years ago
  41. hitnrun

    Well part of that is the overinvestment by – in my observation – PS3 fans in the importance and general awesomeness of individual titles. More than half of 360 owners don’t have Halo 3 or Gears, for example, but such facts are rarely ever noticed or analyzed. Meanwhile, even last year I read posts by PS3 fans flabbergasted that most PS3 owners hadn’t bought a copy of MGS4.

    IMO it’s a result of the console wars taking a toll on the minds of its soldiers. To the (I won’t say “fanboy”) internet-posting PS3 fan, KZ2 and LBP are central arguments for the PS3 over the 360, while the person who picked the PS3 because of Blu-Ray or because it was black is barely aware.

    #41 5 years ago
  42. jeremycafe

    “IT’S YOU!!!”

    Well, I just have not been a fan of any of the games that have come out, or I would rather have it for 360 due to xbox live. I have rented a few games, tried a few demos…but…I can’t stand the controls/controller. It just doesn’t feel natural anymore. I was interested in LBP, but people who bought it told me it got boring quick and was more for artistic people who enjoy the editor.

    I am sure MGS4 was a great game, but I never got into the series. But like I said, the games that are worth buying on the PS3 are also on 360 and I would rather have the 360 version :)

    If it makes you feel better I will be getting FFXIV for the ps3 :)

    #42 5 years ago
  43. MushroomStamp

    this it’s Crap!.. The #1 reason is they were in a format war with Toshiba and HD… Without the PS3, noone was buying Blu-ray.

    #43 5 years ago
  44. jeremycafe

    “this it’s Crap!.. The #1 reason is they were in a format war with Toshiba and HD… Without the PS3, noone was buying Blu-ray.”

    Thats bogus. They were part of the blu-ray team, of course they would use their own format. I would have bought a blu-ray player if it wasnt for the ps3 being available. It was a more appealing format. Being a gamer, obviously having a player that can potentially play games (even though they are crap to date) is by far a superior choice to a traditional player.

    #44 5 years ago
  45. Cort

    “Without the PS3, noone was buying Blu-ray.”

    And with the 360 add-on and cheaper HD-DVD players not enough were buying HD-DVD. And $50m cheques written to Hollywood studios didn’t change that.

    And anyway, one minute the PS3 saved Blu-ray (“no-one would be buying Blu-ray movies if the PS3 didn’t have BD built in”); the next minute, Blu-ray discs saved the PS3 (“people only buy a PS3 for Blu-ray movies”). Will you decide which one it is and finally let this one rest?

    Sony and its many partners didn’t spend billions of dollars inventing BD simply for the fucking fun of it, or for the sake of having something to ‘fight’ for. They invented it for specific purposes; one of these was it’s greatly increased capacity over DVD. And what is that Kaz mentions………oh yes, the utility of BD’s huge capacity. PS3 didn’t rescue Blu-ray, PS3 was the kind of thing Blu-ray was invented *for*.

    “MGS4 hadn’t even been dreamt about when the PS3 was being conceived so wheres the relevance?”

    Try giving it some thought. Perhaps when they were designing the PS3 they decided to look ahead more than a couple of years to a time when games could and would get that big? And where did he say they were thinking specifically about MGS4 when they chose BD anyway? What he intimated is that they thought about where games would or could be when they chose the format; and they were right. What idiot would choose DVD-9 over a format like BD sitting on their shelf, designed for this very sort of thing? What moron would choose a format which was big enough for now but had no room for more in the future when they had an option more than five times the size?

    Perhaps MS should have had future Forza games in mind when they chose to stick with DVD-9 for the 360. And have fun with your three of four FFVIII discs.

    #45 5 years ago