For me I find L4D as value for money. If you measure it in time spent playing it’s at least 4 hours in campaign, another 8 for Versus. So 12 before considering replayability, of which there is bucketloads and that’s not even taking into account Survival.

Valve sunk a lot of resources into developing L4D, there’s a lot of innovation and production in it that goes beyond the AI director and building levels. Play through with the commentary (another hour or two of content).

L4D2 will build on all that and now the bulk of effort can go into content, but don’t expect it for free. Valve don’t owe you anything, not even if they promised it.

anyway, man, i’m not insulting opinions, i’m insulting stupidity. now, if u guys hate this move that valve took, to release a l4d2 game so fast (which probably means that they won’t be adding to much to the first game anymore), i understand, i mean, it’s ok, it’s your opinion and i respect that, but when someone says that the AI is bad, or that the game has too few maps, then i’m sorry but i’m going to trash him/her/them as much as i can. that is not an opinion, that is poor assessment of the game and it is born out of selfishness and lack of experience with the videogame industry.

What you’re doing is not insulting people who ask for it, but the opinion of some people, which is not a valid way to make a point. Saying “You are dumb/naïve” is very easy, but meaningless.

You didn’t answer to what I wrote about the actual game in my previous post. The thing is, Left 4 Dead players actually have one thing to complain about : false advertising.

Anyway, I’m not belonging to the boycott group, and I will probably buy Left 4 Dead 2, as I’m very interested in that game, but it doesn’t change the fact that Valve lied to their customers about Left 4 Dead post-launch support, and it doesn’t change the fact that without updates, the content/price ratio of the first Left 4 Dead is not very high, and considerably lower than those of other Valve products.

to ecu. yes, so they said, but all of this bickering is not about what they said, it’s about the idea of saying one thing, and doing another.

to Tonka. LOL. to right m8. if u don’t like, don’t buy! am i correct?

oh and one more thing. i would rather play a different iteration of a game every year, and pay for it (even a full price) than wait years to do that. it’s like being offered the chance to try a beta version (albeit one that works), only that u pay for it. actually it’s more than that. but anyway, everyone can choose to skip this version and wait for the “final” product if they want. it’s all about them and their preferences.

p.s. LOL, i’ve just been invited to that group by someone. hihihi, i think i’m going to join just to make fun of them losers. cheers!

You have two options:
1 Make your own fucking mod
2 Go fuck yourself

Plus if Valve really needed some money they could have easily focused on Ep3 and got that finished.

The fanboys (most of whom are probably PS3 owners) are jut getting their panties in a twist because Valve changed their game plan, and have decided to create an annual sequel to a title.

Because, ya know, Valve don’t need to make money to stay afloat, right?

It’s odd how, at the start of this console generation, we were all massively against developers throwing DLC at us instead of making a proper sequel. 4 years down the line, and it’s the opposite way around.

My points being :
-They announced specific post-launch support and didn’t provide the support they specificly announced.
-Left 4 Dead 1 was too expansive for its production cost

And if you’re older than me, I pity you for being unable to write correctly in your own language, endgame.

“i never expected to get anything at all after that, except simple patches.”
“so just because they offered a sh1t load of updates for tf2, and still r, doesn’t mean that they have to do it for every game they release.”
No, but the fact that they announced before launch that they would give “new missions, new weapons, new achievements and new characters” mean that they have to do it.

And believing what a company like Valve says isn’t being dumb, it’s called “thinking that they won’t lie”, otherwise knowned as “being naïve”.

By the way, L4D2 indeed seems great, and appears to have a lot of new interesting features. But it doesn’t change the facts stated above.

One last thing : ecu and endgame, I’m having a hard time putting enough emphasis on the idea that directly insulting the people you’re talking to over the internet is actually quite childlish.

sup Syrok? u feeling left out?

Yes, you have proven that very well in your post.

to absolutezero. if u’r in a jet and that jet has an “eject” button, it doesn’t mean u have to use it. i write however i want to write. as long as u understand what i mean without using additional brainpower then leave me alone. if u would know anything about chatting on the internet then u would know why i type like that. u’r clearly new to the internets.. welcome!

to Gekidami. this discussion is not about how good or how bad the game is. that is a relative notion anyway. oh and yeah, i think the game is really good! i’ve been playing the game nearly every day since it was released and i’m enjoying it. even if it had ONLY 1 (ONE) mp chapter i would still think the same. it all comes down to the ppl u play with. u clearly don’t have any friends to play with so that’s why u don’t like it. or maybe not experienced friends to play with.

to Yoshi. what did they steal from tf2???

to absolutedumbass. thks,? i guess..

to Michael O’Connor. thumbs up!

to anasui. omg developers launching a new game every year!? what if infinity ward would launch a mw every year? what if bioware would do the same with me or dragon age? omg what would happend to this world!? oh c’mon! is it that hard? it’s hard isn’t it!? it really hurts when u think, isn’t it? i’m really sorry for u man. u do have one of those special cards don’t u? i heard it gets u free booze and women so u should definetly get one asap!

to Artheval_Pe. read my 1st paragraph! and no, no one is MAKING u buy their games. what, r u really that hooked with valve’s games that u really think they were making u buy their games? WAIT A SEC! man, what if u got hypnotised? u should go to a doctor to see if that really happend. omg man. i’m scared now, what if that happend to me too? OMG WHAT IF VALVE BRAINWASHED ALL THEIR CLIENTS TO BUY EVERY GAME THAT THEY RELEASE FROM NOW ON? OMG!!!!!!!!! RUUUUUN!!!

p.s. f me ppl, some of u need to grow up. i’m telling u, kids should not be thought to write.

Its probabally one of the only things at E3 that I was surpirsed for because everything else got leaked Months in advanced.

When I was watchin the Microsoft Press announcement, I thought it was a Dead Rising 2 trailer, and it started to look more and more like L4D, then I heard the end of round music and L4D2 Popped up! I was over joyed because more L4D was commin!

Its better than waiting 2 Years and getting less content like Halo: ODST, that only consists of a smaller Single Player campaign than Halo 3 and is just Halo 3′s Multiplayer.

Maybe there wouldnt be as much of an up roar if it was called “Left 4 Dead: Risng Dawn” or summet where it doesnt twig as an actual sequel as much.

It probabally wont be released to 2011 anyway! =]

Our new tactic is if we want a game that is not coming to the pc. we will just rent a consoles and that game we want.

Half Life 2 had 38 bigger maps + Counter Strike Source with a few maps + Half Life 2 Deathmatch with 3 or 4 maps
I’m not even talking about the Orange Box.

The reason everyone is furious is because we know that making 20 maps is cheaper than making 38+ maps, especially when knowing that the developpers don’t have to place the ennemies themselves.

They are making us pay 50 + 50 = 100€ or 100$ at launch for something that costed us only 50€ a few years ago.

In other words they are rising their prices and they deceived the players with L4D1 when they said that they would provide free additional maps and weapons.

Those are the reason why everyone is furious.

Characters, daylight, music, all of that is however a matter of taste