Qore subs to get Uncharted 2 beta access on June 3

I hope that it doesnt go like the SOCOM, took forever to get my code.

Why do developers think it’s sensible, that if you are going to put in ANY type of MP, especially a game like Uncharted, that has had no previous association with the internet, that there is no fucking split screen…..

RIDICULOUS.

And no cloth animation/wet cloth textures.

This is going to way of Resistance 1 > Resistance 2. As in down the shitter.

Resistance 2 is vastly superior to Resistance: Fall of Man.

Why would you care about split screen? Multiplayer is online not really playing with one friend.

“And no cloth animation/wet cloth textures.” where did you get this from?

Qore’s been worth every penny on the £12 it cost. Three PSN games, three beta invites, early access to demos…

Dude you can see there’s no wet animated cloth textures, and 60% of the userbase is not online, so splitscreen should ALWAYS ALWAYS come first. Not a slew of online components.

And Resistance 2 being vastly superior to R:FoM is laughable (I am talking SP). Here is a lizt warz proof:

R:FoM’s imaginative weapons design > R2′s Gears of War weapons

R:FoM’s gritty horror setting > R2′s CoD, HL2 setting

R:FoM’s Weapon Wheel > R2′s, two shitty weapons

R:FoM’s mysterious Chimera > R2′s They’re all zombies

R:FoM’s Rachel and Lt Cartwright > R2′s Gears of War style cronies

R:FoM Vehicle sections and interactive giant bosses > R2′s Point and click scripted bosses.

END OF LIZT. And R:FoM wins.

Oh and:

R:FoM’s IQ and graphical consistency > R2′s ‘Google Earth’ graphics.

Boyakasha!

…the hell?

Almost all of R2′s weapons were from FoM anyway, you nonce. And yeah, Gears 2 totally made machine guns up, and was full of guns that shoot through walls and spawn temporary shields.

The setting didn’t change at all, the graphics were just better.

Then realism in only carrying two weapons at a time, which is good.

Chimera were not zombies in R2 at all, there was a race of them and that zombie level? That was absolutely fucking awesome – oh, and since you’re a fan of the ‘horror’ setting that you think FoM was in, you should’ve liked that level, because it was terrifying.

You played as the same guy. The others were, SHOCKINGLY, normal army-type guys. Gears is NOT full of army-type guys, it’s full of army-type guys on bull testosterone.

What the hell is google earth graphics? You mean it was all a top down map? The graphics in R2 were great, whereas the graphics in FoM could’ve been done on a PS2. FoM never looked impressive, not once.

Please stop pretending that Gears created all the things you’re refering to as ‘Gears [feature here]‘, because it didn’t.
Finally, saying ‘boyakasha’ makes you sound like a douchebag, and a Gears of War character. Actually no, a Haze character.

Forgot to mention: You’re wrong about the water effects, I specifically read a quote that mentioned them coming back (though I’m way too lazy to find it) and, well, why wouldn’t they bring them back?

Yeah, how can you judge a game thats not even out yet?

60% really ?? 100% of the people I know dont play split. Why go to ur buddy’s house to play when you can join another person online and stay home, AND use full screen.

“Why go to ur buddy’s house to play when you can join another person online and stay home”

The experience isn’t even comparable. Maybe it’s my age but I find it 10x more fun to actually play a game at a friend’s house than virtually.

Yes. Its your age.

@ Gamoc

- Most of R2′s weapons were the lamest R:FoM weapons and then they made needlessly gory/mechanical weapons. Keep it lasers/organic!

- The setting changed from ENGLAND to America!! That’s a massive change in setting, and with it came massively inconsistent graphics!

- Realism frequently is a BAD thing in games. Why are you supporting that? Things aren’t fun, if they are realistic. They certainly don’t support good game mechanics.

- The menials were scarier and you beat them down after they jumped you. And the hand-drawn animations of the Chimera in R:FoM were much scarier and jerkier. Setting was also much scarier.

- Hale is suddenly not a mute (mutes are awesome) he is an outspoken, failing badass. And his team are all wannabe badass’. It’s sucks. Rachel Parker kind of fancied Hale, or was interested, you couldn’t tell. And Lt Cartwright was a ginger twat, who almost got killed. Much more character.

-Oh my god, R2 is so inconsistent and shit looking. Saying any next gen game could be done on PS2 is exactly the kind of hyperbole I’d expect from someone on the R2 defense force. This is not to mention R:FoM actually had an art direction, for all it’s elements, and theoretically it SHOULD be worse looking.

Lots of those things were popularised by Gears. Doesn’t mean they are good. Tired of popping people’s heads. I am tried of macho squad members. I am tired of realism. I am tired of real bullets and no lasers.

As for Uncharted 2, find the quote, where he said Water effects are coming back. That could eb true, but unless it’s yet to be implemented; cloth animated texture isn’t coming back.

@Serphemz

This is not about how man people WANT to play splitscreen. This is about how many PS3′s are connected to the internet. 60% of the PS3 install base, get absolutely NO added benefit from those MP modes.

Split screen is the most important form of MP, becuase it means everyone in your userbase with two controllers can play. And gettign two controllers is much easier for some people than connecting to the internet.

And unless you don’t have any real friends, what do you do, when you wnat to play Uncharted 2 with friends around? Take turns?

Yay! Let’s mark an unreleased game down based on features it doesn’t have. Shit, it must really sting that after last week you can’t mark it down for lacking any sort of multiplayer. Good to see we’ve found something else it ‘obviously’ needed and hasn’t got!

Now, if you don’t mind I’m going back to have a giggle at Psychotext remarking that the yet-to-be released Infamous ‘clearly’ hasn’t got enough polish.

I’m sure some twerp will innocently wander in and misconstrue my comments as some argument about denying people their right to express their opinion and speculation about things though. The particular twerp I’m thinking of is awfully good at making the application of some common sense and perspective look like some sort of completely unreasonable behaviour and presenting guesswork, bias and a complete absence of facts as the most acceptable way of viewing things.

Seraphemz, even if you prefer online, it should be ANY developers first port of call to do Split Screen first!

It’s far more important! As everyone is capable and informed about how to play splitscreen. You just need to buy a second controller!

Potentially 60% of people are paying $60 or £40 for an SP only experience! It’s wrong!

Werent people calling the Marvel vs Capcom 2 demo “the worst demo ever’ because you could ONLY play it with 2 controlers????

You keep throwing that number 60% around. Where did you get that from ? And i wonder how many of that 40% are blu ray dvd only people.

Shatner, I am a fucking won an award for being a PS3 fanboy, and I love Uncharted. And I am weeing a little for U2, so I don’t want to mark it down.

But it was ridiculous KZ2 didn’t have splitscreen. I WANT THAT BEFORE ANY ONLINE MP SO MY FRIENDS CAN COME ROUND AND ENJOY IT!

It’s just crazy to me, that they’d go and do online MP to extend the life of the product, when the first game was offline, and SP only. Invest both competetive and cooperative teams on creating a seperate splitscreen coop game, and you will ahve my blessing.

Fucking worked for Chaos Thoery like a motherfuckign dream, not get off my balls, becuase I am right. Factually online doesn’t extend the life of the game, for MANY people.

THE 40% are the people that ARE online.

Hell, Xbox Live is only 30% of the 360 userbase, how the hell do you think the PS3 has a bigger online attach rate?

If anything not being subscription based service, means people are completely unaware of it’s online capabilities.

PUDding, putting your PS3 online is cheaper (and has far broader returns) than buying an additional controller. It’s not as though you have to pay an additional premium to play your games online is it?

Furthermore, given the loss of control in things like draw-distance, LODding and portalling that an efficient rendering system would face with a split-screen function it actually makes a lot more sense to invest that development time in online play. This goes for pretty much any 3D game that gives any degree of camera control to the player.

Why compromise the performance of the rendering engine for every single player of the game for a feature like split-screen that only a fraction will ever use?

Not that split-screen users can *ever* be tracked in the way online users can be, of course. So it’s ridiculous to present any sort of argument stating the need for one over the other based on an end-user’s view.

“If anything not being subscription based service, means people are completely unaware of it’s online capabilities.”

Given the amount of PSN bumpf presented in a PlayStation console box, in the XMB and on PSN-enabled games that level of ignorance is pretty difficult to assert convincingly. Certainly, if you’re paying a premium for a service then you may feel obliged to use it more to get the most of it.

Not paying for something that is given to you for free doesn’t equate to ignorance of its existence.

It’s ridiculous to present something subjective, that YOU think is better, as the reason for the online only approach being better.

What isn’t subjective is the 60% of people who won’t be benefitting from this extra investment in game.

Put both teams to work, on the co-op mode in question, make it splitscreen – pack in a controller to a bundle and ‘hey presto’, instant 50 hour game instead of 15 hour game for EVERYONE!

I’d prefer have both co-op online and splitscreen and no competetive. But if you are to choose one, splitscreen works for every single person for a one time fixed fee of £10. Chances are you get more than one controller anyway in the PS3 you buy!

‘Factually online doesn’t extend the life of the game, for MANY people.’
I think that you mean that it doesn’t extend it for YOU.

Ask the millions of KZ 2 players.
Or the millions of Live ( suckers ) subscribers.

Well you could have told me earlier you have a thick skull that logic can’t impenetrate.

I would have stopped bothering with you before.

ditto.

I’d really like to see your source that states that 60% of Ps3 owners are SP only.

PUDding, you’ve just presented something subjective as factual, as Seraphemz has just highlighted in #20.

Look, it’s clear YOU think splitscreen is important. That doesn’t make it a fact. Nor do the reasons to support your view magically turn into facts just because you think it’s a big deal.

You seem to have lost sight of your own subjective views and anecdotal evidence when presenting your opinion as facts to the rest of us. It’s the same bemusingly insular mentality as criticising others for using food-related terms in comments when you have a user name with the word “Pudding” in it.

You want split screen? Why sit here whining about it? Go and deliver your FACTS to Naughty Dog. You never know, something may come of it. I know, I know – that’s a bit of common sense. It has no place in a comment about videogames!

Speaking to people that have absolutely no say in the matter – regardless of the amount of fervent passion you fuel your comments with – is not going to change a damn thing.

does it matter split screen is shit and has always been shit. To sacrifice a portion of your nice big widescreen tv o.O how can anyone enjoy a game like that.

Online all the way coop or competitive play.

Not accordning to Pud… or appearantly 60% of PS3 owners and 70% of 360 owners. We, David, are in the minority.

Wow Shatner…. I honestly do usually think you speak quite a lot of sense. I am not being cynical.

But you are asking me to stop talking about something here, when you are refuting it. If you don’t want me to talk about it here, don’t bother responding to me.

As for the point on subjectivity. I AM connected to the internet, I AM one of the million KZ2 players. What I prefer is not the point at all, the coop in Uncharted 2 won’t be unavailable to me.

The fact is that there are only 30% of the potential market who will benefit from it. When pratically 100% will benefit from splitscreen. Most PS3′s come bundled with a second controller, most people have siblings or friends and if not getting a controller is a one time fixed fee of £10.

Factually this investment in MP will be worthless to the majority of PS3 users.

And if there was the option for both online and splitscreen, that would be superb. Then you have longevity for everyone.

“What I prefer is not the point ” stick to that.. leave out the rest.

Where are these facts coming out of ?? Would you care to share?

For what it’s worth… I think Pud is roughly right about the percentages of consoles connected to the net. I’ll look it up if I get a sec.

stfu pudding. jesus christ, shatner just owned the shit out of you. nobody is on your side here. maybe I’d see some validity in your argument if you posted some fucking sources for your statistics. I want split screen too by the way, but reading you spew your hate makes me kind of wish it doesn’t happen so you can cry yourself to sleep when uncharted drops.

Thanks PT… because i would really like to see it.

I mean if Pud is right, I want to warn Zipper not to bother with MAG, just add split screen…..

rofl ^^

Hey, cater to that 30% exclusively, with a new IP from the developers of the PS2′s first online game.

But if you’re going to invest extra money in a co-op mode for a previously completely offline SP game, then it makes more sense for it to be splitscreen.

Anyone arguing that is completely ignorant of the fact that not everyone is like us. We are game fanatics. Not many people are connected to the internet.

I’d be surpised if it were as much as 40% of PS3′s connected to the internet. I’d put money on it being lower.

Hmm… I can only find the MS stat which was 60% of users online. That was back in 2006 when it was mostly owned by the hardcore. It’s much lower now but try as I might I can’t find the news story.

Well exactly! I read 30% recetnly Psychotext, and I’d put so so so much money on the Live userbase being a higher percentage.

Ignoring the general argument… would you all really rather play online with someone than in the same room? That astounds me.

so you are going to disregard the possibility that the multiplayer might bring in some players to uncharted that wouldn’t normally pick up a SP only game? sounds pretty ignorant to me.

i would rather play co-op with a friend than online any day. it’s just that pudding’s argument is so shit

I would rather have a full screen to play on, and play with my friend… when he is home.

I like Rock band with people over. Or Street Fighter, Fight Night 2, Madden… you know, games that are sort a meant for 2 player in the same room.

I dont want to play capture the flag with my one friend next to me.

wtf fight night 2? what year is it

Split screen generally sucks. Especially for FPS’s.

Most games will cut down on detail and texture sizes in split screen mode, so it looks worse too.

@lelik
Refute my argument, then. All you’ve done is stood behind 2 other people and shake your fist at my argument. If it’s so ‘shit’ tell me why. I’d be more than happy to tell you, how and why you are wrong, if you are adult enough to hear it.

I won’t disregard that the MP might bring some people in. It’s a good point.

But how many of that 30% of internet enabled PS3′s didn’t already know about Uncharted, or would buy it purely for the MP?

MP is an aid for an SP game. If you like MP games, then you’ll get MAG.

And once again, for a game like MAG, where MP is the sale, then it’s fine.

@ lelik – really.. ok. Fight Night ROUND 2. Happy?
I should have said 3 which in the one on PS3. My bad.

@ PUD – you are basing your argument over a HYPOTHETICAL percantage.. that = a shit point.

Show me the proof of your 30% or 60% claims?

Okay, so assumign you ahve better judgement. What percentage would YOU say are online? More or less than Xbox Live?

This is Xbox, synonyous with online services, and a subscription service, raising awareness. Compared to PS3, with little hint of online capabilites out of the box.

Do you think the percentage of install base online is higher than Xbox? Becuase even then, it couldn’t that far different.

Well thats where we differ Pud, I dont assume to know or pretend / guess these numbers. I would rather talk about something that I have facts on.

I would say that the majority of players want MP to bring longevity to a game. Many players, myself included might be inclinded to just rent a SP game, and only buy MP games.

So im my humble opinion, I think that ND is trying to bring some longevity to Uncharted a la GTA4 which wasnt really known for multiplayer, but still seems to top the charts on Live. I could be wrong… im just saying.

I was making a generous estimate. Generous meaning it would support your argument over mine. Likelihood is it’s a lower percentage of connectivity from Live. Assumptions can be bad it’s true, but they are also based on common sense a lot of the time.

And common sense will tell you that even if 50% of the PS3 userbase is online, my argument still stands. It’s easier to get another controller than to go online, for many people. And for many the second controller came bundled.

I for one, can’t wait for Starhawk, becuase at least Incognito/Lightbox know that splitscreen is just as important as MP.

Warhawk is amazing.

wait… WARHAWK HAS SPLIT SCREEN?

Oh, and just to be clear, I am really happy there is MP at all. All my argument is, that resources spent on that, are in my opinion better spent on splitscreen than a competetive mode for example.

People don’t mind a drop in graphics, for 2 player experiences, becuase you can always play the single player for the graphics.

Yeah, Warhawk has splitscreen…. Four players!

The game is amazing. Starhawk will be superb.

EDIT: I have been told four players, I know it’s defintely two.

HOLY SH!T ! I didnt know that. Well that is cool. I’ll admit.

….still though. Your numbers are shit. But thanks for the info on Warhawk.

Bloody hell.

It’s like monkeys throwing shit at each other in zoo. All of the arguments are definitely shit, after all.

First, I honestly don’t know anyone who plays local. OH – and the point about most PS3s coming with 2 controllers? That is absolute bollocks. They just don’t. I’ve never seen a bundle with two controllers and, even if there is now, 15 million machines were bought without them. I know quite a lot of people who own a PS3 and not one of them has a second controller. I’ve only played local a few times and only on PSN games, and I’ve only got two controllers because there is a second PS3 in the house.

Saying that 100% of the people that buy the game will benefit from local MP over online is ridiculous. Essentially everyone has the internet now, and most of them through wifi. Hell, my Nan has wifi and she doesn’t even have any wifi devices (her router is a wifi router, but her PC is plugged into it via cable). It is infinitely more practical to assume that people are more likely to have connected their PS3 to the internet than it is to assume that they’ve all spent £35 on a second controller at some point for the few times they might play local. I have friends over and they prefer to watch me play games than play the game local – they did with R2, for example.

And yeah, local MP in games like this, and FPS games, sucks. It’s hard to play, and 1v1 isn’t particularly interesting. Co-op can be fine, but you still can’t see what you’re doing – can you imagine trying to aim in Uncharted with your view being squashed into half of your normal screen? Ridiculous. Now imagine trying the acrobatics.

Local MP works best with things like Rag Doll Kung Fu: Fists of Plastic, Brawl, other side-on things, and racing games is your screen is big enough. A shooter like this doesn’t work well enough for the development time, and the online would get used much, much, much more than any local multiplayer ever would.

And Warhawk does have splitscreen. I’ve tried it a bit. Never tried it again, you can’t see what you’re aiming at. And I’ve had friends over and we just chose to take turns.