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GDC: Blitz shows 1080p120 3D game: the reaction? “Wow”

Friday, 27th March 2009 15:34 GMT By Patrick Garratt

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“Blitz has created the first console software solution for rendering games for 3D TVs,” Blitz‘s Philip Oliver told us at GDC yesterday.

It’s another gimmick, right? Oliver is convinced not. So is the British journalist that sent us frantic MSN messages past midnight last week after seeing the tech demoed at the developer’s UK offices.

“Pat, no shit,” he said. “This is the most exciting thing I’ve seen in games for years. I can’t believe it.”

Word for word. He’d been shown a game running at 1080p and 120 frames a second, 60 frames for each eye. Steph saw it in San Francisco yesterday, and all you can hear on the recording in response is a stunned, “Wow.”

When Steph mailed last night, she said, “That 3D game was VERY impressive, by the way.”

And before you start, yes, we’re aware that Blitz is sponsoring the site for GDC. And no, that doesn’t mean we’re lying. Hit the link for the transcript of the demo.

[Long intro from Oliver about 3D media in general, how all Disney CG movies are going to be produced in 3D from now on, how the film industry's backing 3D and how 3D functionality's being built into current TVs.]

Oliver – Everyone’s doing different technologies… I personally believe that circular polarization is probably the one that’s going to take off, but they’re all doing different types, and some of the manufacturers are backing all the horses. The movies are going to be something like a year away, because they’ve got to agree on formats, both the digital formats and the physical formats, and they’ve got to decide how to address it in the TVs, because inside the TVs they’ve got to decode the signals as well.

In the electronics industry, they all want to be the format holder, so they’re all doing it completely differently. So, if someone was to produce a player, which format do they write the signal in, because each TV’s going to be different?

However, with the consoles, we can actually write software drivers. We were told by Sony, Microsoft and several other people in the industry that it would be impossible, because of the rendering speed required. Well, we though, perhaps it can be done. We know of an extremely fast rendering engine, in our technology. So let’s have a go.

This game was in development. It’s called Invincible Tiger and it’s from Namco Bandai. We were already shooting for 1080p at 60 frames a second. Now, one of the problems of the standards of 3D TVs is that a lot of them say they absolutely have to be 1080p, 60 frames a second. A couple of them will work at lower resolutions, but if you want to go out there with a game that can work on any of the 3D TVs, if you’re at 1080p, 60 frames a second, it’ll work on one. You’ve got to get your rendering engine up fast enough to do that.

Also, slightly worse than that, that will only give you one image for one eye. You’ve got to produce 1080p, 60 frames a second, but you’ve got to produce a left and right eye image, so effectively you’re almost rendering 120 frames per second. That’s fast. I mean, think of Unreal. They have problems going to 60 frames a second.

Without further ado, let’s show you the results of our game running at 1080p, 120 frames per second, and you can tell us if you think it’s any good.

Steph – Wow. Wow.

Oliver – That’s the reaction there’s supposed to be.

Steph – Oh my gosh.

Oliver – It’s awesome.

Steph – It is awesome.

Oliver – One of the things we found annoying was that when we said we were going to do this, all the blogs said, ‘Yeah yeah yeah, it’ll be rubbish.’ No. See it, then say it. It isn’t rubbish, is it?

Steph [laughing] – No. I actually backed up there for a second… Wow.

Oliver – Blitz has created the first console software solution for rendering games for 3D TVs.

[Oliver goes on to explain that the game may or may not ship with the 3D functionality, and it's unlikely anyone will know whether or not they've got the right TV to view it even it is. Also, you need the right set of glasses to see it.]

Steph – How far is this off the mainstream?

Oliver – Mainstream’s a little bit longer, but remember that gamers are early adopters. It was the Xbox 360 and gamers that drive HD TVs to market, and actually accelerated the adoption of HD TV. We’ve got some figures. I think it’s 5 million installed by the end of the year, and I think it’s 10 million by the end of next year and 25 million by the end of the following year.

When do you call it mass market? It’s going to be in the top-end TVs. There’s no point having it in an 18-inch screen.

[Oliver says that the inclusion of 3D functionality into TVs doesn't cost a great deal]

We can accelerate it. If this was in shops in a month’s time, the TVs are going to sell a lot faster. I think the game industry can accelerate it.

Steph – How do you see Blitz moving it forward?

Oliver – Our talk today was a call to arms to tell the trade to embrace 3D TV. It’s not a gimmick. It is the future, and it’s here now, so start developing for it now. I will say, that some developers aren’t going to have fast enough engines – whether or not they’re their own engines or they’re licensing it – but that’s something they can come to us for. in our talk today we gave a lot of advice on what the technical issues are and how to solve those technical issues.

If you’re a developer and you want to get in touch with BlitzTech or find out more about the firm’s 3D tech, hit this.

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  1. Rhythm

    I’d *love* to see something like this

    #1 5 years ago
  2. Patrick Garratt

    The guy I mention in the intro up there is a proper old hand. He was absolutely blown away by it.

    #2 5 years ago
  3. Blerk

    Do Blitz still actually make games? All they seem to do these days is make announcements for games which then fail to materialize or pimp technology prototypes which equally vanish into the ether, never to be seen again.

    #3 5 years ago
  4. Patrick Garratt

    They do a lot of franchise stuff, I think.

    #4 5 years ago
  5. Patrick Garratt

    Actually, they’re doing Dead to Rights: Retribution.

    #5 5 years ago
  6. theevilaires

    xbox360 drove up hdtv sales? what the hell is this guy smoking?

    #6 5 years ago
  7. Michael O'Connor

    “Do Blitz still actually make games?”

    They’ve released at least 10 games in the last two years (PowerUp Forever being a recent example), so yeah, I’d say you probably just need to take your cynical head out of the sand for a few minutes and smell the coffee.

    Anyway, this sounds cool. It’s been nice to actually *see* it though.

    “xbox360 drove up hdtv sales? what the hell is this guy smoking?”

    Both Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 did. It’s a bit of a no-brainer, much like how the PS2 drove up DVD sales back in the day.

    #7 5 years ago
  8. Blerk

    Uh… it did, didn’t it?

    #8 5 years ago
  9. Rhythm

    I’d say it did. Moreso than the likes of Sky HD.

    #9 5 years ago
  10. Newbie101

    How much are 3D TV’s?

    #10 5 years ago
  11. Blerk

    Blimey Michael, I think you need to lay off the coffee of late.

    #11 5 years ago
  12. SERAPHEMZ

    I think that the PS3 had more to do with HD sales than the 360. The first 360′s didnt even come with HDMI….

    #12 5 years ago
  13. Blerk

    And of course, everyone knows you can’t do HD without HDMI.

    /picard

    #13 5 years ago
  14. theevilaires

    The last time i remembered i was in best buy in 2005 guys were buying hdtvs for espn hd alone. Every time I meet some rabid xbot fanboy in j&L (china town NYC) they tell me they are hooked up to sdtvs. Videophiles and movie maniacs are the ones who really drove up hdtv sales. As for gamers (especially xbox360 owners) i don’t think so.

    #14 5 years ago
  15. SERAPHEMZ

    Well seeing how you had to get an adapter to convert it with the just the component cables.

    I know many people that still have an xbox with no hd.

    ps3 with blu-ray alone got more people to get hdtv’s

    #15 5 years ago
  16. Michael O'Connor

    “Blimey Michael, I think you need to lay off the coffee of late.”

    Why? Because I pointed out the inaccuracy of your cynically bent assumption? Sorry if you’re over-denfensive about your assumptions being proven wrong, but that’s no excuse for ignorance, now is it?

    “I think that the PS3 had more to do with HD sales than the 360. The first 360’s didn’t even come with HDMI…”

    You don’t need a HDMI lead to get a high definition picture. It’s only a more convenient means of doing so, than plugging in 6 different wires.

    “ps3 with blu-ray alone got more people to get hdtv’s”

    Blu-ray, whilst successful, has had a much slower up=take than DVD, and isn’t going to replace DVDs for a good number of years yet. It’s impact on HD is minimal at best.

    “Well seeing how you had to get an adapter to convert it with the just the component cables.”

    Uuuuh, no you don’t. My component lead plugs into my TV just fine. And considering that component cables were around long before HDMI was…

    #16 5 years ago
  17. epic_wanderer

    I was playing my 360 in HD on launch day with only the cables that came in the box. How did I do it? Magic, of course.

    #17 5 years ago
  18. Dean

    > I will say, that some developers aren’t going to have fast enough engines

    Hardly any developer on PS3 (or 360) is going to put effort into developing an engine (and suitably adjusted assets) that runs at 120fps, given it’s a minute fraction of the market. You only need to see how few support 1080p/60 to know this.

    And if Blitz reckon their engine is the bollocks at 120fps, then presumably with twice the frame time available (for both CPU and GPU) at 60fps then their engine performs 2x better than anyone else’s PS3 engine, right? Right?

    Phhrrrtt… Marketeering. Gives me the rage.

    #18 5 years ago
  19. Blerk

    Christ on a bike, Michael. I never said they ‘didn’t do games any more’, I asked a question ‘did they do games any more’. Because I hadn’t seen one in ages. And looking at their web site, I see that they do still make games. And given the types of games they make, I can also see exactly why I haven’t seen any of them.

    I don’t know why you suddenly appear to be angry with me. If you tell me what I did then maybe I’ll apologise.

    #19 5 years ago
  20. SERAPHEMZ

    Yeah it was, because my brother had a launch 360 and he couldnt play it in HD with the cables that it came with.

    Michael – i dont know about where you live, but here in the states blu-ray is exceeding DVD adoption within the same time frame.

    Its impact on HDTV sales is HUGE. All those millions of people that bought the Blu-ray of Dark Knight were all seeing it in HDTV’s or had to get one to see it.

    Most people that own a PS3 own a HDTV over how many xbox users own a HDTV.

    #20 5 years ago
  21. SERAPHEMZ

    Oh, its probably important that he had the CORE 360. as they were out of the better on.

    ALL PS3′s came with HDMI out of the box.

    #21 5 years ago
  22. Retroid

    @SERAPHEMZ: the only 360 which hasn’t come with an HD-capable cable was the 360 Arcade / Core / Tard pack, the one without the HDD. Otherwise it came with a switchable composite / component video cable.

    edit: Ah, as I thought.

    Anyway; PS3 may have had an HDMI *port* but they’ve not included the actual *cable* in the box.

    #22 5 years ago
  23. Shatner

    Blerk, don’t try and reason with the man. He’s on a crusade. If you’re lucky he’ll put you on ignore and then you won’t to suffer his comedic mix of overbearing self righteousness, insularity and complete lack of a sense of humour.

    I can say whatever I like about him because he’s chosen to ignore me and is very proud of himself for doing so.

    Doesn’t make anything I’ve said any less true though. Quite the opposite.

    Also, PS3 has done more for HD adoption than Wii. Yes.

    #23 5 years ago
  24. Retroid

    We can definitely agree on that last point, Shatner :D

    #24 5 years ago
  25. Mafro

    “ALL PS3’s came with HDMI out of the box.”

    I’m not 100% sure but I think initially PS3s didn’t come with a HDMI, just a scart lead.

    #25 5 years ago
  26. G1GAHURTZ

    I think it’s fair to say that PS3 users would probably be more likely to get an HDTV for their console than 360 users.

    The PS3 was marketed as ‘THE‘ 1080p entertainment system, so it makes sense that if you owned one, you’d be more inclined to ‘maximise it’s potential’.

    MS, however, dragged their feet with the whole HD thing. They had to release an update so that the 360 could do 1080p without an HD-DVD player. They also kept giving the ‘not many people have HDTV’s. You don’t need an HDMI port yet’ line when asked about an HDMI equiped 360.

    I for one, didn’t see the appeal of HD until I must have got bored one day and plugged my 360 into my monitor. Since then, I’ve not wanted to play in SD since.

    But yeah, from day one, the PS3 was marketed as the 1080p machine, whereas the 360 was the gamers machine.

    #26 5 years ago
  27. epic_wanderer

    To be fair he did say they came with HDMI out of the box. Not in it.

    #27 5 years ago
  28. SERAPHEMZ

    Retroid – I got my cable very cheap. For those CORE people they had to dish out for the adapter. And we all know the price Miscrosoft charges for add ons.

    Thank you Shatner for putting it all in to perspective.

    #28 5 years ago
  29. theevilaires

    yea whats with this blu-ray isn’t selling as fast as dvd bullshit. Do you even know when dvds were first introduced to the market. Way before the ps2 at least 2 years. It wasn’t until the ps2 came out that people started to pick up on it more because there were no games for it. So they bought dvds. Hmmm same thing with ps3 right… which leads consumers to buy blu-ray disc and also cheap hdtvs which lead to higher sales of hdtvs in the following year after 05 that Mr. Oliver pointed out.

    #29 5 years ago
  30. Syrok

    Well, I’m more convinced by this then by Onlive. Neither of which will be anywhere near me in the next 5 years, but 3D is more feasible then games running on my Etch-a-sketch.

    #30 5 years ago
  31. Michael O'Connor

    “Christ on a bike, Michael. I never said they ‘didn’t do games any more’”

    Not from what I’m reading.

    “Do Blitz still actually make games? Do Blitz still actually make games? All they seem to do these days is make announcements for games which then fail to materialize or pimp technology prototypes which equally vanish into the ether, never to be seen again.”

    You post was tainted with cynicism (don’t even try to say it wasn’t. =P ), so I just pointed out that yes, they do.

    “I don’t know why you suddenly appear to be angry with me. If you tell me what I did then maybe I’ll apologise.”

    Angry at you? I’m just pointing out your inaccuracies. I’m not “angry” at you in the slightest.

    “Yeah it was, because my brother had a launch 360 and he couldnt play it in HD with the cables that it came with. ”

    If I recall correctly, the launch 360s came with a composite lead, not a component one. But component leads (the ones with the six prongs) do not require any sort of adaptor. If you’re TV doesn’t have proper component ports, that’s the fault of your TV, not the console.

    “Michael – i dont know about where you live, but here in the states blu-ray is exceeding DVD adoption within the same time frame.”

    I would be very surprised if that was true. Regardless, the States in not the centre of the universe, and Sony has an entire European and Eastern market to factor into such things.

    “Its impact on HDTV sales is HUGE. All those millions of people that bought the Blu-ray of Dark Knight were all seeing it in HDTV’s or had to get one to see it.”

    The Dark Knight sold about 1.5 million on Blu-ray, It sold over 7 million on DVD.

    Now compare that to the… 50 million or so next generation consoles in people’s home. (about 21 million PS3 and 27 million or so 360).

    You do the maths.

    I’m not saying the 360 was more responsible. I’m simply saying that the Blu-ray impact was negligible, and that both consoles are equally responsible.

    “Way before the ps2 at least 2 years. It wasn’t until the ps2 came out that people started to pick up on it more because there were no games for it. So they bought dvds. Hmmm same thing with ps3 right…”

    No, not the same as the PS3. The PS3 is selling a lot slower than the PS2 did during its lifespan (at this point in its life-cycle – the PS2 had sold at least 3 times as many units as the PS3 has in the same time), and as such, Blu-ray isn’t taking off anywhere near as quickly as DVD did.

    I’m not saying it’s not popular. I’m just saying that the uptake of Blu-ray is slower than it was with DVD.

    And for what its worth, *I* bought a HD-TV because of the 360. I didn’t pick up a PS3 until at least a year after. For the same reason most consumers are choosing the 360 over the PS3; it’s cheaper.

    #31 5 years ago
  32. Retroid

    The 360 Core came with a composite cable & scart block adaptor. Same as the PS3 comes with, as a matter of fact, so it can be plugged into scart sockets.

    I bought a 360 VGA cable from Lik Sang for ~£8 and started playing it on my monitor as I didn’t have an HD TV at the time, but I had plenty of monitors! :D

    #32 5 years ago
  33. Psychotext

    On a more general note… I wonder how many people out there have their PS3s connected with the composite cables you get in the box. :D

    #33 5 years ago
  34. Shatner

    You’re welcome SERAPHEMZ.

    This seems like a good time to offer you may best-selling series of life improvement psychology books: “Correcting People on the Internet: The Shatner Way“. Volumes 1-24 are now available at a discounted price of a mere £639.99 (or in 12 easy monthly payments of £84.99). My DVD Box set “Pwning for fun and profit” can now be pre-ordered and will start shipping in May. Order two and get a set of steak knives ABSOLUTELY FREE.

    Tell your friends!

    #34 5 years ago
  35. Retroid

    I personally know of two. And no, one of them isn’t me!

    #35 5 years ago
  36. G1GAHURTZ

    Yeah, that’s what I did Retroid. (Although I think that I got my cable from Currys.)

    I wanted to see what GRAW looked like in HD and if it was worth all of the fuss, and I found it difficult to go back.

    I went from a 19″ monitor, to a 23″ TV/monitor combo, to a 37″ full HD tv.

    #36 5 years ago
  37. Shatner

    Anyone clicked on O’conner’s name? I think his site broke under the weight of his pomposity.

    /pulls funny faces behind O’conner’s back

    #37 5 years ago
  38. theevilaires

    @ Dean: im sure this new tech won’t be used on games like killzone 2 but rather games like calling all cars and stardust HD. Games of that nature.

    @ SERAPHEMZ: HDMI cables did not come with ps3s, hell not even component which can carry HD signals up to 1080p.

    #38 5 years ago
  39. SERAPHEMZ

    Michael – you are wrong. this was last year http://www.contentagenda.com/article/CA6572900.html

    Dark Knight sold 600k in the first day. You want me to believe that it only sold 400k after?

    And i believe 7 million is the TOTAL. not just DVD.

    And no, the states are the the center, i can only speak of what i know, i dont really know sales where you are, thats why i dont pressume.

    #39 5 years ago
  40. Mike

    The next person who says xbot is one. After that one, of course. :)

    Annnnyyyway, sounds awesome. I’d like to see it for myself.

    #40 5 years ago
  41. SERAPHEMZ

    TO ALL – I meant that PS3 had HDMI *input* i know it didnt come with the hdmi cable or component just the sd ones.

    My point is that CORE systems didnt even have the INPUT or ability to get the COMPONENT if you wanted to, you needed and adapter. Lucky for my brother, he got those pretty little Red Lights and he got a new one.

    Retroid – CORE(launch) system only came with sd cables.

    Shatner – CAPS make it true right?

    #41 5 years ago
  42. Mike

    Oh, and launch 360s came with component HD cables.

    #42 5 years ago
  43. Psychotext

    Umm… that’s not right Seraphemz. Old core models worked just fine with component and VGA cables.

    #43 5 years ago
  44. Mike

    Yeah, Seraphemz. That’s simply not true. I bought a VGA cable separately, and a launch Day 1 360 came with component. Both worked fine.

    #44 5 years ago
  45. theevilaires

    I had an XBR3 when i got my first PS3 (20gb). When I bought my 60gb I bought two XBR5s (40″). I have never seen a PS3 on standard television in person. You can add that to your general notes btw :P

    #45 5 years ago
  46. Michael O'Connor

    “My point is that CORE systems didnt even have the INPUT or ability to get the COMPONENT if you wanted to”

    Yes it bloody well did. Component and composite use exactly the same ports at the back of your 360. It’s only the bits that go into your TV that are different.

    “Dark Knight sold 600k in the first day. You want me to believe that it only sold 400k after?”

    I said 1.5 million. That’s not 400K, that’s 900K.

    80% of a product’s sales occur in its first two weeks. After that, the drop-off rate is pretty significant.

    “And i believe 7 million is the TOTAL. not just DVD.”

    Nope, that’s DVD.

    “And no, the states aren’t the the center, i can only speak of what i know, i dont really know sales where you are, thats why i dont pressume.”

    Yes, and I’m pointing out that, worldwide, it’s *not* taking off as quickly as DVD. I don’t care what they page says.

    Is your local video store almost entirely dedicated to Blu-ray? Do their shelves sell mostly Blu-ray? Does it take up more shelf space?

    Within 3 years of DVD’s launch, and within a year of the launch of the PS3, this was the case with DVD. It most certainly is not the case with Blu-ray.

    Video cassettes disappeared practically overnight after the release of the PS2, which *was* the catalyst for DVD popularity. The PS3, on the other hand, has had nothing but a slow and laboured time in the sales department compared to the PS2, and DVDs are still the larger selling format by a LONG shot (at least 80%) three years after Blu-ray’s launch.

    #46 5 years ago
  47. Shatner

    CAPS = FACT
    FACT = CAPS

    Don’t mess ‘em up though – otherwise you get FAP and SCAT. That’s not good.

    #47 5 years ago
  48. Retroid

    @SERAPHEMZ: I did say the Core came with composite cables. Just in case:

    Composite = one yellow cable, two audio (white & red) cables, SD.

    Component = three video cables (red, green & blue), two audio (white & red) cables, HD.

    There was no hardware difference between the two launch models, only what else came in the box. A VGA or component cable meant for the 360 would work on either pack.

    Also: I think you mean output, not input.

    #48 5 years ago
  49. SERAPHEMZ

    My local store has Laser disk….

    #49 5 years ago
  50. SERAPHEMZ

    Retroid – Yeah, but the core ( only had composite ) wasnt HD, hence the whole page of discussion where i dont think the statement that 360 drove hdtv sales.

    #50 5 years ago
  51. Psychotext

    I’ve worked it out! Seraphemz lives in the 1980s!

    Oh, and Seraphemz… if you follow that line of reasoning the PS3 didn’t drive HDTV sales either, because like the core / arcade 360 models – it only comes with composite cables.

    #51 5 years ago
  52. deftangel

    I saw a 3D film at work. It’s very impressive when done correctly. Should be seeing Monsters Vs Aliens in 3D next week as well.

    The games industry has a leg up but it’s going to be a lot easier to create good 3D content with animation and the like than it is with photo-realistic film.

    1080p @ 120Hz rendering and the TV to go with it is a few years off being affordable mind.

    #52 5 years ago
  53. SERAPHEMZ

    Michael – here 2.8 http://www.engadgethd.com/2009/02/04/the-dark-knight-blu-ray-disc-up-to-2-8-million-worldwide-drivin/

    #53 5 years ago
  54. SERAPHEMZ

    Psycho – You got it… Corey Hart is at the top the charts!!!

    #54 5 years ago
  55. Shatner

    What O’conner carefully ignores on his crusade to prove that nothing that Sony might have done could possibly ever be regarded as remotely succesful is that the world has changed a lot since VHS (and even DVD was around).

    Stuff like broadband internet and the affect it had on piracy simply wasn’t around at the time when DVD was being introduced.

    Shhhhhh. Let’s just watch O’conner keep ignoring details and links to articles that say things he doesn’t agree with as he shows us how his view should never be questioned.

    Don’t worry, if you missed it the first time he’ll be doing it again in about 5 minutes.

    /clicks o’conners name.

    Nope. His site still isn’t working.

    How ironic.

    #55 5 years ago
  56. Psychotext

    Yours isn’t either Shatner. :P

    #56 5 years ago
  57. SERAPHEMZ

    maybe he is actually doing some research….

    edit : God Bless whoever added the edit button !!!!

    Shatner – good point.

    #57 5 years ago
  58. Michael O'Connor

    Worldwide sales. I was referring to US sales of the movie. I was 500,000 off.

    One movie does not a console make, and again, it doesn’t change the fact that the DVD sales are still shattering the Blu-ray sales. At this point in DVD’s lifespan, it had already replaced the video cassette on store shelves.

    #58 5 years ago
  59. Mike

    I was certain that every single iteration of Xbox 360 came with component cables.

    How weird.

    #59 5 years ago
  60. Psychotext

    I’m not actually sure what’s going on any more.

    Hi, I’m Psychotext!

    #60 5 years ago
  61. theevilaires

    Blockbusters in the states are nearly 50% stocked with Blu-ray titles, but I do see your point on things O’connor.

    #61 5 years ago
  62. Syrok

    Hello computer people! This article is about 3D gaming, not a console or cables or what drove the sales of anything.

    #62 5 years ago
  63. Michael O'Connor

    “Retroid – Yeah, but the core ( only had composite ) wasnt HD, hence the whole page of discussion where i dont think the statement that 360 drove hdtv sales.”

    The Core came with a composite lead. You had to buy the component cable if you wanted a HD signal, but those things only cost about a fiver. The console was still HD ready.

    “I was certain that every single iteration of Xbox 360 came with component cables.”

    Nope, but they have for at least the last two years. If it’s one of the models with a HDMI port, you’re guaranteed to get a component cable with it at least.

    #63 5 years ago
  64. G1GAHURTZ

    @ Syrok:

    Yeah, but someone in the article made a claim that HDTV sales were driven by the 360, and people got upset about it.

    #64 5 years ago
  65. Shatner

    PT – Mine’s working fine thanks. Maybe your internet is broken?

    Oooh. I love how O’conner’s just dismissed using a movie as a benchmark for something now it’s backfired on him. :)

    What’s this topic about again? Batman and component cables or sommat?

    #65 5 years ago
  66. Syrok

    I know, I’ve read it. :)
    Just don’t see the need to get upset about it.

    #66 5 years ago
  67. theevilaires

    :P sorry

    #67 5 years ago
  68. Michael O'Connor

    “Yeah, but someone in the article made a claim that HDTV sales were driven by the 360, and people got upset about it.”

    And then the PS3 fanboys got upset because they refused to believe that another console could be as equally responsible for something as their beloved PS3.

    #68 5 years ago
  69. SERAPHEMZ

    “Scott Henson, Director of the Xbox Advanced Technology Group, has responded to these criticisms with the following statement:

    “The AV cable that comes with the Xbox 360 Core System is for our customers who don’t have an HDTV yet. Games on Xbox 360 are optimized for HD, which also makes them look spectacular in standard definition, and you don’t need a component cable for that. Ultimately, it’s about offering our customers choice.”’
    Maybe the guy from the article never read this…

    #69 5 years ago
  70. theevilaires

    well im just sick and tired of everyone given xbox360 credit for breaking open the House of HD entertainment.

    #70 5 years ago
  71. SERAPHEMZ

    Michael – its not about getting upset. its about facts. Which i guess arent important to you.

    Psych – in response you saying that PS3 only has the SD cable, yeah, but the PS3 has ALWAYS had the HDMI *output* and early adopter of 360 were screwed.

    #71 5 years ago
  72. theevilaires

    ok o’connor now you’re asking for a war. everyone just drop it please. im sorry i said anything. go download some porn and forget this all happened ok :P

    #72 5 years ago
  73. Shatner

    He should fix his site before downloading some porn.

    #73 5 years ago
  74. Retroid

    @theevilaires: it was an HD gaming platform, so it probably did drive sales. Not sure how much though, seeing as everyone I knew used theirs on monitors for the first year or so! :)

    #74 5 years ago
  75. Michael O'Connor

    “Michael – its not about getting upset. its about facts. Which i guess arent important to you.”

    The FACT is that 3 years into the PS2′s lifecycle, it had sold 60 million units.

    The FACT is that within a year of the Ps2′s launch, the video cassette had pretty much disappeared off store’s shelves.

    The FACT is that in the same amount of time, the PS3 has only sold a third as many units, 21 million to be exact, and that Blu-ray uptake is a lot slower. It has *not* overtaken DVD in sales – just look at The Dark Knight’s DVD sales for proof of that.

    The FACT is that a bunch of your friends not getting HD-TVs for their 360s is not a gaugue of the entire world.

    The FACT is that both PS3 and 360 have been equally responsible for the update in HD – the 360 had a whole year extra to introduce it to the world (about 8 millions sales in that time if I recall correctly). 360 also has HD streaming and movie rental download. The PS3 brought the allure of Blu-ray, which has also pushed interest in HD.

    BOTH are equally as responsible.

    What I’m about to say *isn’t* a fact, and I’ll freely admit that, but I also strongly believe that it’s games that pushed HD sales, not movies.

    #75 5 years ago
  76. SERAPHEMZ

    this is the issue with the article:

    ” Oliver – .. It was the Xbox 360 and gamers that drove HD TVs to market, and actually accelerated the adoption of HD TV”

    This statement is wrong. It was not the 360. Its was the PS3 because it came with Blu-ray. I will even admit that it wasnt even because the PS3 as a gaming machine. HDDVD had a lead on Blu-Ray, PS3 came out with Blu-ray and did away with HDdvd.

    And before you mention the 360 HDdvd add on, no one bought it.

    Edit : and it appears by your ” fact ” rant, that you failed to read the links that i provided. Also, VHS was not gone or just about gone a year after the PS2 came out..that is preposterous .

    #76 5 years ago
  77. Michael O'Connor

    “And before you mention the 360 HDdvd add on, no one bought it.”

    They were too busy playing their games in high definition to care.

    Oh, and here’s another fact. Only about 10% of people bought the Core. So the argument about it not pushing HD doesn’t cut it either.

    “Edit : and it appears by your ” fact ” rant, that you failed to read the links that i provided. Also, VHS was not gone or just about gone a year after the PS2 came out..that is preposterous.”

    My family owned a chain of video stores for many years, and keeping up on the inside goings on was something of a requirement. I assure it, it was far from preposterous; I and many other witnessed the shift first hand.

    DVD was already getting a footlhold in the market even before the PS3 came out (about 20%). It was the launch of the PS2 that tipped it over the edge and caused the flood-gate of DVD sales to open.

    #77 5 years ago
  78. Syrok

    Seriously, at the end of the day it doesn’t matter at all what sold and what didn’t.

    #78 5 years ago
  79. Shatner

    FACT: Comparing a format that’s been on the market for abour 3 years (if I’m generous) to one that’s been on the market over a decade is going to skew any comparative figures you present and ignoring such a glaringly important detail makes you look a bit selective in how you present your FACTS.

    In FACT all of O’conner’s facts are presented carefully out of context so as to push the agenda he wants adopted.

    Such as the differen VHS>DVD and DVD>Blu Ray (and even HD DVD). No guesses for which of those two HD formats O’conner would have been pimping when they were at ‘war’.

    FACT: Spaghetti is more popular in Italy than it is in Japan. Noodles are more popular in Japan than Speghetti. This shows ignorance in Japan’s apppreciate of stringy food substances as you can cram more spaghetti in your gob than flatter, wider noodles.

    FACT: Coca Cola is a popular carbonated drink. Pepsi claims to be MAX but this is not so as it comes with no HD socket in the can. Also the MAX adverts are misleading as there are no skate-parks atop skyscrapers. This shows that Coca Cola is the true fizzy drink king and doesn’t rely on adverts that LIE. Dr. Pepper is just odd. Nobody knows what the hell that is.

    FACT: Ant is higher resolution than Dec. But Dec is more innovative. You can screen a widescreen movie on Ant’s forehead but Dec’s ears provide a better aural experience. Plugging in Little Ant into Dec or Little Dec into Ant doesn’t compensate for the lack of HD/Aural quality

    FACT: Moira Stewart > Zeinab Badawi but Kate Adie could kick the shit out of both of them.

    This are the FACTS people. Don’t you forget it.

    #79 5 years ago
  80. SERAPHEMZ

    Shatner- you are one funny mother f’er..

    i’ll enjoy him till we get there…

    #80 5 years ago
  81. Michael O'Connor

    “Shatner- you are one funny mother f’er..”

    Only until he decides to direct his overbearing, self-absorbed ego in your direction. Then you won’t be finding him so hilarious.

    #81 5 years ago
  82. Syrok

    Oh, no don’t push him over the edge again. ;_;

    #82 5 years ago
  83. rainer

    I hope I’m getting this right but I’m wondering what all the fuss is about ?
    * This is for 3D HDTV’s only (is that news bit?)
    * It uses the same method that some non 3D HDTV’s use which is render the frame twice (one for each eye) but non 3D TV’s use glasses (as Sony demoed a while back for the PS3)
    * They had their game running at 1080p at 60fps in 3D mode

    That’s all fine and dandy but the graphics would have to take a significant hit in order to pull that off, look at how many games run at 720p 30fps now they’d have to be 60fps to get 30fps in 3D mode.

    It’s basically a trade off between graphics & 3D mode so there will always be some who will look at screenshots alone and say it looks crap.

    #83 5 years ago
  84. SERAPHEMZ

    Statement -
    “My family owned a chain of video stores for many years, and keeping up on the inside goings on was something a requirement. I assure it, it was far from preposterous; I and many other witnessed the shift first hand”

    Here is something that you yourself just wrote to rebut that…

    “The FACT is that a bunch of your friends not getting HD-TVs for their 360s is not a gaugue of the entire world.

    #84 5 years ago
  85. Michael O'Connor

    “That’s all fine and dandy but the graphics would have to take a significant hit in order to pull that off,”

    Probably, unless they go for a deliberately simplistic visual-style.

    Look at games like Space Giraffe, Geometry Wars or Rez HD for an example.

    Blitz tend to be the kind of company that work on arcade style games (pick-up-and-play gameplay, simple mechanics at their core) primarily, so it wouldn’t surprise me if they went that root to test this.

    If it’s for a full-blown, high production game though, and they pull it off, that’d definitely be impressive.

    “Statement -
    “My family owned a chain of video stores for many years, and keeping up on the inside goings on was something a requirement. I assure it, it was far from preposterous; I and many other witnessed the shift first hand”

    Here is something that you yourself just wrote to rebut that…

    “The FACT is that a bunch of your friends not getting HD-TVs for their 360s is not a gaugue of the entire world.

    Neither of the two are comparable. I used the example of running a chain of stores to point out that we (myself included) had to keep abreast of the whole industry, not that it was simply based on the observations of our stores.

    That’s a big difference to the observations of a few of your mates.

    #85 5 years ago
  86. Shatner

    Only one person displaying an overbearing, self-absorbed ego around here O’conner.

    You’re so cute. You have such a grudge you even get miffed when others won’t hold the same grudge against me that you do.

    Now, be a good boy and fix your broken web site. :D

    #86 5 years ago
  87. Syrok

    “It’s basically a trade off between graphics & 3D mode”

    Maybe, but I happily have a game that looks not quiet as good as (insert good looking game) but is more immersive. Graphics don’t make a game good, gameplay and immersion does.

    :)

    #87 5 years ago
  88. theevilaires

    ok im back from downloading porn and i see you guys are still at it. What must i do to get this topic dropped :P

    #88 5 years ago
  89. SERAPHEMZ

    stop replying.

    #89 5 years ago
  90. Soong

    yeah

    #90 5 years ago
  91. Psychotext

    Shatner, my internets are fine. I put a new one in today.

    #91 5 years ago
  92. theevilaires

    well at least lets go for 100 posts.

    #92 5 years ago
  93. David

    Wouldn’t mind seeing this 1080p 3d malarkey myself :).

    #93 5 years ago
  94. theevilaires

    Weren’t there ramblings about this being on ps3 at CES earlier this year. I think devs were saying all the ps3 needed was a firmware update to activate this feature.

    (trying for even 100 post so contribute please) :)

    #94 5 years ago
  95. SERAPHEMZ

    Say something bad about the 360… that’ll get you another 50 posts….

    #95 5 years ago
  96. Mike

    Double post.

    #96 5 years ago
  97. Mike

    The PS3 will be 2160p240 3D on 8 60″ screens simultaneously with each screen playing a different game with 16x AA and no tearing.

    That should get us to 100.

    #97 5 years ago
  98. wz

    Ok guys, I admit it, I was the one who kicked HDTV into the mainstream.

    #98 5 years ago
  99. SERAPHEMZ

    What do you get if you are number 100? an xbox… ? Cheap.

    #99 5 years ago
  100. theevilaires

    whoever post as the #100 gets a free PS3 courtesy of VG247

    #100 5 years ago
  101. SERAPHEMZ

    lol..congratz.

    #101 5 years ago
  102. theevilaires

    shit too late :P oh well guess this makes my 3rd PS3 :P

    #102 5 years ago
  103. Shatner

    Mike’s statement about PS3 is 100% FACT

    #103 5 years ago
  104. SERAPHEMZ

    Can we make it 200??

    Shatners doing his part..

    #104 5 years ago
  105. theevilaires

    On one final note I just want to say thank you to SERAPHEMZ and O’Connor.

    #105 5 years ago
  106. theevilaires

    Fuck it lets go for 150 yeeeeeeeee haaaaaaa

    Fact: Mike is Morris

    #106 5 years ago
  107. Gekidami

    With 2 S’s…

    #107 5 years ago
  108. SERAPHEMZ

    Thank you, I couldnt have done it without Michael’s uninformed data and “facts”

    lets get it started….

    #108 5 years ago
  109. theevilaires

    First person to 1000 post will get a PS3 (HDMI included),4 Dualshock3 controllers,an official PS3 headset,a copy of MGS4 L.E. and Killzone 2 plus $500us dollars worth of PSN cards.

    #109 5 years ago
  110. Soong

    yeah.

    #110 5 years ago
  111. SERAPHEMZ

    “First person to 1000 post will get a PS3 (HDMI included)” LMAO..

    #111 5 years ago
  112. theevilaires

    I SHIT YOU NOT!!!!!!!!!!

    #112 5 years ago
  113. Michael O'Connor

    “Say something bad about the 360… that’ll get you another 50 posts…”

    Say what?

    #113 5 years ago
  114. SERAPHEMZ

    ^ LOL

    #114 5 years ago
  115. Michael O'Connor

    If I didn’t know any better… I’d think you were accusing me of being a 360 fanboy…

    The irony of that assumption isn’t lost on me.

    #115 5 years ago
  116. SERAPHEMZ

    You dont know any better.

    1000 here we come…

    #116 5 years ago
  117. Psychotext

    Badgers, badgers, badgers, badgers, badgers, badgers, badgers, badgers, badgers, badgers, badgers, badgers…

    #117 5 years ago
  118. Prof Power Glove

    And there I was about to make a serious comment..:P

    Oh wait. Feck it.Ok, so Blitz make some good tools, however there is DEFINITELY some irony here. Where? Well, because 3D games will obviously be a perfect fit for a Wii style control system. But it looks like we’ll have to wait for the Wii 2 HD before that can happen.

    p.s. What happens if I ‘fix’ the broken engrish in Patrick’s article up there? Is that allowed? :)

    #118 5 years ago
  119. Michael O'Connor

    “You dont know any better.

    1000 here we com…”

    http://www.vg247.com/2009/03/27/sony-to-match-dev-budgets-in-return-for-psn-exclusivity/

    #119 5 years ago
  120. Shatner

    His site’s still broken.

    He never learns.

    #120 5 years ago
  121. theevilaires

    Just got off the phone with a person who has the last 60gb PS3 probably known in the wild never opened. Im not fucking around. Im going to get it right now. Keep posting if you want it.

    #121 5 years ago
  122. SERAPHEMZ

    Does it come with Dual Shock controller?

    #122 5 years ago
  123. theevilaires

    No its an original sixaxis one. I got to run downtown but i will be back in two hours. Someone add me and start a chat room for proof.

    #123 5 years ago