Thu, Feb 26, 2009 | 07:36 GMT

Microsoft finally looking to stop gay bannings on Live

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Is that the whiff of common sense? The stench of reason? Xbox Live mod boss Stephen Toulouse has confirmed Microsoft is looking at ways Xbox Live users can express sexual preference on the service without getting banned.

His comment came after yet another Live subscriber was banned for ‘causing offence’ by saying they were homosexual in their profile data.

“I can’t say any more at the moment, except to say I’m working right now in finding a way to safely express relationship preference,” Toulouse said on his Twitter.

He added: “Expression of any sexual orientation (straight or gay or otherswise) is not allowed in gamertags.

“However we’ve heard from the user-base they want that capability, so I am examining how we can provide it in a way that wont get misused.”

This is the first time Microsoft has even acknowledged something needs to be done about the fact gay and lesbian people can be hounded on Live then banned.

Bit of a shame the “user-base” had to fight against it instead of anyone with half a brain at Microsoft doing something about a truly disgusting situation, but there we are. We should be thankful for small mercies, hey?

Thanks, Roybott.

58 comments

#1

Blerk
26/02/09, 8:19 am

Why not try something radical like… banning the bigots instead of the victims?

#2

sickpuppysoftware
26/02/09, 8:24 am

/Checks calendar
Hmmm it does seem to be 2009

#3

Syrok
26/02/09, 9:07 am

Not to mention that gay has more than that one meaning.

#4

Michael O'Connor
26/02/09, 10:39 am

“Why not try something radical like… banning the bigots instead of the victims?”

Because 90% of companies prefer to satisfy the demands of the people who complain the loudest, instead of acknowledging the status of those who aren’t whining and bitching a lot.

#5

Psychotext
26/02/09, 10:49 am

Besides… ban the bigots on live and there’d be about 12 people left. :)

#6

Blerk
26/02/09, 10:50 am

And this is bad because…? :-D

#7

Hunam
26/02/09, 11:24 am

I’d be surprised if they don’t just do something in a way that if you put in some words that are on “The List” they it comes with a pop up saying “Oh hey, so your gay right? Well, that’s nice, not our thing but still, we’re cool with it, but unfortunately some people in the mid west aren’t, and they have money too, more than modern folks actually, anyway, your profile will only been seen by those of 18 years or older, is that cool? Right, have a nice day and get your friends at the march to sign up too!”

#8

jeremycafe
26/02/09, 1:32 pm

Current policy is fine. No need to fix.

#9

Blerk
26/02/09, 1:34 pm

Perhaps they should extend it to black people? And women, perhaps? What about the lower classes?

#10

jeremycafe
26/02/09, 1:36 pm

Nope. But I would say to extend it to bestiality and child sex offenders.

#11

Blerk
26/02/09, 1:45 pm

Because obviously homosexuals are just as bad as those guys, right?

#12

jeremycafe
26/02/09, 1:50 pm

Maybe not sex offenders, they are much lower.

#13

jeremycafe
26/02/09, 1:52 pm

Bottom line, xbox live is a gaming service. Not a gay dating service. I don’t see normal people trying to find relationships on there, why should it be any different for homosexuals?

Blizzard made the right decision back in the day to ban the guilds that were expressing their sexual orientations as well. It’s not the place for it.

#14

Psychotext
26/02/09, 1:54 pm

VG247 is a dating service though. We can all be as gay (happy?) as we want here. :D

#15

Michael O'Connor
26/02/09, 2:03 pm

“Blizzard made the right decision back in the day to ban the guilds that were expressing their sexual orientations as well. It’s not the place for it.”

Blizzard received so much hassle, abuse and complaints for that they were eventually forced to reverse the decision and change their EULA to indicate that the free expression of sexuality is acceptable behaviour.

#16

Blerk
26/02/09, 2:07 pm

Where does it say she was looking for a date?

#17

Patrick Garratt
26/02/09, 2:08 pm

She obviously was. She’s a lesbian.

#18

Captain Fruitloop
26/02/09, 2:21 pm

Was she a hot lesbian, though? That’s the important question thagt needs answering here, I feel.

#19

jeremycafe
26/02/09, 2:24 pm

Stating your sexual orientation on a social network has nothing to do with playing games. I should change my name to LikesAsianWomenJeremyCAFE, right?

There is no purpose of having a sexual orientation in a gamertag and the majority of people on xbox live, and the USA, would prefer not to see it.

And yes, many of us would rather kids be brought up without having to be introduced to a DECISION made by others that is not natural.

#20

Blerk
26/02/09, 2:26 pm

Speak for yourself. I’m quite happy to discuss homosexuality with my kids without fear of them ‘catching it’.

#21

Syrok
26/02/09, 2:26 pm

Uhm, but what are you supposed to write? Why should you write what you are supposed to write? Why can’t you write what you want to write? Why does anyone care what I write? If it’s in about me section, why can’t I write something about me? Why do we have freedom of expression?

#22

Patrick Garratt
26/02/09, 2:37 pm

jeremy – :| x 15 billion

#23

jeremycafe
26/02/09, 2:41 pm

Why because I don’t agree with a choice that is not natural? And because I would rather not know who made this choice while im trying to play call of duty or xbox live arcade?

If people want to live this lifestyle, good for them. I won’t be pushing the fact im straight on them as they should be pushing the fact they are bi/homosexual. They can look for attention in other places.

#24

Michael O'Connor
26/02/09, 2:50 pm

“Stating your sexual orientation on a social network has nothing to do with playing games.”

Microsoft have promoted Xbox Live as a social networking system for quite some time now, and its tools lend it in that direction as well.

“There is no purpose of having a sexual orientation in a gamertag and the majority of people on xbox live, and the USA, would prefer not to see it.”

Because the USA gets to dictate what the rest of the world should do, amirite? Oh, and just because a lot of people think it, doesn’t automatically make it right.

“And yes, many of us would rather kids be brought up without having to be introduced to a DECISION made by others that is not natural.”

It’s people like you that set the world back a hundred years. Sexuality is a *decision”? Please, please, please do show me the PROOF of that.

Knowing many men and woman who are homosexual, and being attracted to men myself, I can certainly assure that it’s no more a “decision” for us as it is for you to decide you’re straight. It’s not our fault that you’re so simple minded that you’re too scared to teach your children about the broad world that is outside your door.

#25

Michael O'Connor
26/02/09, 2:53 pm

“If people want to live this lifestyle, good for them. I won’t be pushing the fact im straight on them as they should be pushing the fact they are bi/homosexual. They can look for attention in other places.”

One other thing. How the hell is simply stating your sexual preference “pushing” it on you? Are the trying to force it on you? Are they DEMANDING you listen and acknowledge it? No, they’re not.

My nephew is 10. He understood and accepted what gay people were before he was even 7. I can safely live in the comfort of knowing who the better parents were in this case.

#26

Blerk
26/02/09, 2:57 pm

I’d like to know who decides what’s ‘natural’ and what isn’t.

I don’t believe humans were ever designed to be able to fly, so perhaps we should all be pretending that aeroplanes don’t exist.

#27

jeremycafe
26/02/09, 2:59 pm

I brought up the fact the USA is overwhelmingly in support of keeping it out of every day life because that is where XBOX Live is developed. You can expect something to relate to where it was created. I understand Europe has a completely different view on sexuality, and if you guys get different terms, great. I wouldn’t care.

To say I am simple minded because I don’t support homosexuality is outrageous. Yes you are right, because a majority goes with one thing doesn’t mean its right. The hate towards blacks in America was outrageous. However skin color is something you are born with. And I stand by saying your sexual orientation is a decision that is heavily influenced by your childhood.

Anyways, obviously I am alone on this here and it is getting beyond the intent of this news post. So I will shut up and stop voicing my opinion.

#28

jeremycafe
26/02/09, 3:00 pm

“I’d like to know who decides what’s ‘natural’ and what isn’t.

I don’t believe humans were ever designed to be able to fly, so perhaps we should all be pretending that aeroplanes don’t exist.”

You can’t reproduce with a chimp or dog anymore than two homosexual partners can. That is what defines ‘natural’ for me.

#29

Patrick Garratt
26/02/09, 3:05 pm

Your opinion’s welcome, jeremy. Although, I love giant cocks up my ass, and I had a perfectly sedate childhood, to be honest.

#30

Michael O'Connor
26/02/09, 3:13 pm

“I brought up the fact the USA is overwhelmingly in support of keeping it out of every day life because that is where XBOX Live is developed.”

Actually, quite a significant portion of Xbox Live development, since its inception, has been done in Europe.

“The hate towards blacks in America was outrageous. However skin color is something you are born with. And I stand by saying your sexual orientation is a decision that is heavily influenced by your childhood.”

And I repeat, show me proof that sexuality is a *decision*. You can stand by whatever you want, but if you can’t actually back it up with some proof, that just makes you a willing bigot.

“To say I am simple minded because I don’t support homosexuality is outrageous.”

No actually, it isn’t. It’s perfectly acceptable. You’re undermining people for what they are, instead of who they are.

“You can’t reproduce with a chimp or dog anymore than two homosexual partners can. That is what defines ‘natural’ for me.”

Considering that humans are one of very few species on the planet with higher brain functions that allow them to derive *pleasure* from sex, and don’t use it simply as a procreation tool, that argument holds little weight.

P.S. I noticed you completely ignored the fact that I debunked your argument about social networks. If its acceptable on other social networks like Facebook and MySpace, it’s acceptable on Xbox Live as well.

#31

Psychotext
26/02/09, 3:13 pm

You tell him Pat. It might not be natural but if it feels good, go with it!

#32

Michael O'Connor
26/02/09, 3:14 pm

Pat: Having read your views on this stuff, I’ve no doubt you’re gonna be the best father to that kid anyone could ever be.

#33

Mike
26/02/09, 3:18 pm

What kid? Me? Pat is like a father figure to me, that’s true. When he isn’t trying to get in my pants that is.

#34

Michael O'Connor
26/02/09, 3:21 pm

Okay, now, that’s just creepy. *laughs*

#35

Mike
26/02/09, 3:23 pm

That’s what I say to Pat, but he’s very persuasive when he wants to be.

#36

Michael O'Connor
26/02/09, 3:28 pm

All those free games must be really hard to resist, huh?

It’s okay. I wouldn’t turn it down either.

#37

Blerk
26/02/09, 3:54 pm

I think what we need here is a group hug. Who’s got the baby oil?

#38

Shatner
26/02/09, 4:12 pm

IdislikehomosexualityRAMMEDDOWNMYTHROATwhenI’mnotinthemoodforitlol

#39

G1GAHURTZ
26/02/09, 4:13 pm

It’s amusing that every time homosexuality gets mentioned, people start pretending that they are gay.

It’s quite a strange, sheep-like reaction…

#40

Blerk
26/02/09, 4:15 pm

We’d better hope there aren’t any bestiality fans lurking, then.

#41

Syrok
26/02/09, 4:15 pm

Who says anyone is pretending?

#42

G1GAHURTZ
26/02/09, 4:22 pm

I can tell. Real homosexuals aren’t as crass as you guys.

#43

Mike
26/02/09, 4:23 pm

They are.

#44

Blerk
26/02/09, 4:25 pm

Someone get PESFanboy over here, stat! :-D

#45

Michael O'Connor
26/02/09, 4:27 pm

“I can tell. Real homosexuals aren’t as crass as you guys.”

Who exactly is pretending?

#46

G1GAHURTZ
26/02/09, 4:31 pm

Exactly.

#47

SERAPHEMZ
26/02/09, 4:42 pm

They should just leave that off. I dont have anything against homosexuals, and that person that said that it was a “decision” is an idiot obviously.But I dont see the relevance to putting your sexual orientation on a game tag.

Someone said that myspace and facebook did it, so why should LIVE do it, well Myspace and Facebook is kinda a place where you go to MEET people. LIVE is to play games. Not hook -up so who cares what your maritial status is, zodiac sign or if you are gay/lesbian bi or whatever.

Leave that where it belongs… on EHARMONY.

#48

Blerk
26/02/09, 4:45 pm

But if we don’t care, why should we worry if they put it in their gamertag?

Of course, we are missing the point a little here – she didn’t put it in here gamertag. It was in her profile, probably under the ‘bio’ bit. Where you’re supposed to write stuff about yourself.

#49

G1GAHURTZ
26/02/09, 4:47 pm

My bio says:

“Stop looking at my profile!!!”

Nothing more, nothing less.

#50

SERAPHEMZ
26/02/09, 4:48 pm

Ok, well thats what i meant. Im saying NO ONE should put it. Straight or Gay. I mean come on. If a person put something like that, you know that the person is expecting a reaction. Why put it? What is the relevance to gaming?

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