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No PS3 patch for Fallout 3, says Bethseda

Monday, 26th January 2009 11:10 GMT By Mike

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MTV Multiplayer asked Bethseda whether PlayStation 3 owners would get the same patch as 360/PC players that allows for exploration of Fallout 3′s landscape after the main quest has been completed.

Executive producer Todd Howard simply replied, “Not at this time, no.”

So there you have it. Game over.

The patch comes with Fallout 3 DLC Operation: Anchorage which should be available from tomorrow.

By Mike Bowden

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43 Comments

  1. Blerk

    Come to think of it, why do 360/PC owners have to buy the DLC in order to get that patch? They should really provide that fix to everyone.

    #1 6 years ago
  2. Michael O'Connor

    “Come to think of it, why do 360/PC owners have to buy the DLC in order to get that patch? They should really provide that fix to everyone.”

    Because it’s not a fix. It’s only being implemented so that people can explore the DLC.

    #2 6 years ago
  3. Syrok

    Wait, so once you are finished you can’t go anywhere, even if you still have some optional missions left?

    #3 6 years ago
  4. Psychotext

    Correct. If you want to continue you have to use a save from before the final mission.

    #4 6 years ago
  5. Blerk

    Which is why I think it should be classed as a general ‘fix’ and not just as a feature of the DLC. It changes the main game.

    #5 6 years ago
  6. Robo_1

    Well I’m glad I found that out before I put my cash down. Poor show Bathesda :(

    #6 6 years ago
  7. Syrok

    Hm, that’s a bit stupid then, why would you not let people play on after the final boss battle or whatever it is you do in the last mission.

    #7 6 years ago
  8. JesteR

    The last mission in the maingame is anyway a fake ending. The DLC was already planned back then thats why the 3rd DLC actually deal with defeating the Enclave. The ending of the maingame is just in the middle of the game.

    #8 6 years ago
  9. Esha

    It amazes me that Spore’s DRM would create a massive Amazon-based flashback but this wouldn’t. I’d love to see a one-star Amazon campaign for the PS3 version of Fallout 3 as well, based on the claim that it doesn’t provide the same support via patches and DLC that the X-Box and PC versions do. I’m thankful I got it for the PC but I really feel for the PS3 owners of this game.

    #9 6 years ago
  10. Blerk

    Well… PS3 purchasers did know in advance that the DLC wouldn’t be coming to their platform, and had the chance to vote with their wallets at the time of release.

    #10 6 years ago
  11. Michael O'Connor

    Robo_1: That shouldn’t stop you buying the game.

    Either get the PC version, which you can constantly keep updated with free fan-based modifications and add-ons, or the 360, which will have this patch and the DLC.

    That, or just make sure to keep more than one save on the PS3 version.

    #11 6 years ago
  12. Esha

    That’s true for you and I, Bleark, but is it true for the average Joe Blow who just buys games from Play/Amazon on a whim? Bethesda didn’t exactly go to those sites to post notices declaring a complete lack of support for the game, did they? So I’d still like to see some rebellious action to knock some sense into Beth. Every developer needs it now and again.

    Just my opinion, anyway. As I said, I have the PC version so I don’t really care, but I just don’t find their turning the other cheek to the PS3 platform at all ethical, it’s downright shady if anything.

    #12 6 years ago
  13. Retroid

    A bit crappy of them not to do a general patch, agreed.

    HOWEVER

    I’d utterly lost track of the first DLC and am CHUFFED TO BITS it’s coming tomorrow! \o/

    #13 6 years ago
  14. Whizzo

    The final DLC makes changes directly to the Wasteland itself (which is obvious given what happens) it’s not just a patch to allow you to just keep going. This DLC will also allow you to level past 20 but if you’ve saved before the final mission, it’s spelt out that this is the end, you can go and do anything you’ve left over.

    #14 6 years ago
  15. Alakratt

    “Not at this time, no”

    So it’s not “never”, just “”not at this time”. I think he let slipped too much, which is good, but their PR guy, what was his name? Pete Hines, has to be on his ass right now!

    So we will have this, if we didn’t he would it said so, but he said not now, simple. Exclusivity doesn’t last forever. So it’s not “Game Over”, sorry vg247! Thanks Todd Howard!!

    #15 6 years ago
  16. Michael O'Connor

    “That’s true for you and I, Bleark, but is it true for the average Joe Blow who just buys games from Play/Amazon on a whim?”

    The “average Joe Blow” probably won’t even care. They’ll play the game for a few weeks, stop playing, and never think about it again. They probably won’t even know there’s DLC coming out for it.

    Not everyone has is as into gaming as the “core” gamers are, and that’s entirely their choice, but the “lack of support” likely makes jack to them.

    Bethesda got paid to keep their content exclusive. That’s the way business works. If you don’t like it, then go remove commerce from the world altogether.

    Those core gamers of us with any sense keep our options open, and support each format. If some DLC comes out exclusively for the PS3, I’ll get the game on that. If it comes out on the 360, I’ll get it on that.

    It’s not the format that matters, it’s the games. Quit being a fanboy and just enjoy them for what they are.

    Whizzo: That’s not entirely true. The DLC locations themselves are in separately loaded location, and the level cap expansion won’t be coming around until the third expansion pack in March.

    #16 6 years ago
  17. crippledhooba

    That whole thing about not being able to continue after completing the game, made me hate this game. So I believe it should be a free fix because it was a problem.

    #17 6 years ago
  18. Whizzo

    Whizzo: That’s not entirely true. The DLC locations themselves are in separately loaded location, and the level cap expansion won’t be coming around until the third expansion pack in March.

    Which is why I said the final DLC in my post.

    #18 6 years ago
  19. Psychotext

    Esha… the PS3 version has had a fairly major patch to introduce trophies. Something that most devs can’t be arsed doing (even for huge games like MGS4).

    So what’s all this about no support?

    #19 6 years ago
  20. Tonka

    OMG

    #20 6 years ago
  21. CastellanSpandrell

    “the PS3 version has had a fairly major patch to introduce trophies.”
    Did this address any of the ps3 specific bugs like the characters having no heads apart from eyes from time to time and so on?

    #21 6 years ago
  22. theevilaires

    you idiot (and you know who i’m talking about) Esha makes a valid point.Sorry you are too stupid to comprehend. I would like to also add that Valve and Bethseda are paid by microsoft to not develop DLC for PS3 for a certain amount of time.

    #22 6 years ago
  23. Whizzo

    Value?

    #23 6 years ago
  24. Blerk

    Tesco Value Games. Haven’t you seen them? White box, blue stripes. They did “Tesco Value FPS” and “Tesco Value Racing”.

    #24 6 years ago
  25. NiceFellow

    Michael O’Connor @

    The choice isn’t just commence without rules or no commerce – as anyone being laid of right now due to the impact of unregulated trading can tell you.

    The simple fact is commerce can and should be regulated, and every industry needs guides. Put simply, I’m really not convinced this kind of exclusive DLC is in the consumer’s favour, and therefore that it should be permitted.

    While we don’t know for sure there seems to be plenty of evidence that MS paid to get what should be the ‘real’ version of Fallout 3, while PS3 owners are soon going to be stuck with an incomplete version.

    While completely separate exclusive DLC is maybe fine, for example a totally new quest that sits on its own, I think radically game changing DLC, such as this, should not be exclusive. They’re continuing the story, removing the current ending to allow continuing play and in the process denying ‘for the sake of commerce’ over 1 Million customers the ability to access that content on an otherwise multi-platform title.

    Bethesda should either have gone truly exclusive with the game and not supported PS3 at all, or remained fully multi-platform in their support.

    Just because something is legal doesn’t mean it’s necessarily ethical business nor good for paying customers, and as the games industry grows I feel certain accepted commercial practices should be looked with a view to regulation just like any other business.

    #25 6 years ago
  26. theevilaires

    #
    Blerk said:

    January 26th, 2009 at 11:13 am

    Come to think of it, why do 360/PC owners have to buy the DLC in order to get that patch? They should really provide that fix to everyone.

    because they know people pirate their games. And why are people so stuck up on fallout. its an ok game but not the second coming.Its totally overrated by many people accounts.

    #26 6 years ago
  27. theevilaires

    yea yea i meant valve whizzo

    #27 6 years ago
  28. theevilaires

    NiceFellow you’re a Smartfellow :P but yea i agree with you 100%. Look people who cares about this dlc really, its not a big deal.Let M$ keep paying for exclusive stuff and let sony keep putting out their stuff.Its just dlc.

    #28 6 years ago
  29. Michael O'Connor

    Nice Fellow: Tell that to Bethesda.

    What do you think the world is going to do? Boycott the company?

    I think it’s stupid too, but it is what it is, so I’m just going to enjoy the game. If bought the 360 version because I don’t want to fork out for a hefty PC and the DLC is on that machine. If the DLC had been on the PS3, I would have bought the PS3 version.

    I made an informed choice. And at the end of the day, any consumer that cares enough is going to make an informed choice as well.

    #29 6 years ago
  30. theevilaires

    no O’Connor they will just pirate the next game they make.Bethesda should be aware that respect takes you a long way. Look at Criterion, they gave everyone great dlc and for free. It they were on the verge of being shut down the gaming community would get together and support them. Now on the boycott issue, remember battlefield bad company’s problem from the boycott.EA change their mind very quick eh :P

    #30 6 years ago
  31. NiceFellow

    Michael O’Connor

    I would hope we will see a strong enough level of complaint to make developers think twice. Unless you chose to act nothing changes, and I think changes to this practice are needed at some point.

    A consumer reviewing games in a store really shouldn’t be hit with stuff like this post purchase. I don’t see any element of informed choice involved. If you have a PS3 only are you supposed to buy a PC or 360 just to play the game?

    I see this DLC tactic as a crude ‘denial of service’ approach and it’s simply crazy that lack of regulation allows a developer to merrily release a game, take money from a lot of people, then say ‘by the way we were bought off to cut you off from enjoying your game further, sorry about that. Why not buy a whole new gaming platform and another copy of the game on that platform if you really enjoyed our game that much!’.

    For me, if I see much more of this, particularly from Bethesda, I simply won’t buy their products. I don’t see that as a boycott but simply using the basic response a consumer has to express displeasure.

    #31 6 years ago
  32. Michael O'Connor

    “I would hope we will see a strong enough level of complaint to make developers think twice. Unless you chose to act nothing changes, and I think changes to this practice are needed at some point.”

    Complaints mean jack when the companies involved have already signed contract for exclusive deals.

    Also, the internet complains about a lot of things. Those complainers are a very vocal minority, and are largely ignored by all but the most spineless companies.

    Nobody’s denying you the chance to play the game “fully”. You should have just gotten the 360 version instead of the PS3. The knowledge that DLC would be 360 / PC exclusive was made known long before the game came out, and it’s a consumers fault if they’re not informed.

    “I see this DLC tactic as a crude ‘denial of service’ approach and it’s simply crazy that lack of regulation allows a developer to merrily release a game, take money from a lot of people, then say ‘by the way we were bought off to cut you off from enjoying your game further, sorry about that. Why not buy a whole new gaming platform and another copy of the game on that platform if you really enjoyed our game that much!’.”

    If you’re choosing to only buy games for the one format… well, that just makes you guilty of the same crime as the developer, doesn’t it?

    People buy their phones from different companies and on different networks because they provides different services and benefits. Gaming consoles are no different.

    But hey, if you want to stop buying their games just because you want to be elitist about your console purchase, you go right on ahead. Millions of us will be too busy playing Fallout 4 to care.

    #32 6 years ago
  33. Esha

    “[...] and it’s a consumers fault if they’re not informed.”

    Sorry, I call fallacy on that.

    It wasn’t advertised o the box, so how could it possibly be the consumer’s fault if they made an impulse purchase?

    That’s like saying that if someone bought a car, but the car that was delivered to their door was sans one engine it would be their fault for not spotting a tiny notice in a window regarding the company’s stance on engine-less cars halfway across town from the car lot.

    That’s blatantly illegal, and there’s actually a legal term for that (I forget what it is, I’ll look it up). Only in the software industry would anyone be allowed to get away with this.

    #33 6 years ago
  34. Psychotext

    Why is it even relevant? They got exactly what they paid for… the game that was advertised, and if they saw any, the game that was reviewed.

    Your car analogy is flawed. It’s more like a customer buying a car without realising that only one model would be getting an optional larger fuel tank in the future.

    #34 6 years ago
  35. theevilaires

    thats even more stupid than his analogy, i would give my own but fallout 3 isn’t worth all this cry baby bullshit. When fallout reaches the status of a game like metal gear solid then cry about it.

    #35 6 years ago
  36. Psychotext

    Is it? Because we’re talking about an addition to a product, not part of a product that’s missing which you would have expected to be there.

    Or are you saying that reviewers somehow reviewed the game with the completed DLC so customers were misled?

    #36 6 years ago
  37. NiceFellow

    Michael, a final point then I give up arguing with you.

    1) The phone example is not good, but I’m impressed your argument, to use a more pertinent example, is that if I have three different makes of CD player I should by the same album three times, one for each? In short : of course people only buy games for one format, or are you telling me I should be buying COD : WaW for PS3, 360 and Wii because it exists on each? How companies must love your attitude.

    2) Again, you’re ignoring the fact that just because the DLC was announced people with only PS3′s still have no choice, unless you’re really saying they should buy a 360 as well. But then again you argued about choosing games for only one format so I guess that is your view.

    3) So you’re basically saying ‘don’t try and change anything in big business, they’ll ignore you’. Again, how much companies must love your attitude. Thank goodness many times in the past others have been a little more willing to complain and force changes over time.

    Reading your views I guess you figure there’s no blame/issue nor problem with the current economic crisis because, well, it’s just business and all those banks/investors were quite within their limits to conduct trade in a way that was in fact detrimental to the consumer at the end of the day.

    I for one will not support business practices I find unethical. If I’m unlucky I’ll remain in a minority (at least a proactive one). But with a little luck, that will change, and as has happened many times in the past enough people will feel the same way and act to force a change.

    Of course the irony here is I’ll be able to play Fallout 3 as fully as I want with the PC version, hell I’ll even get all the mods, etc. now the G.E.C.K is out if I want them. But how terrible I actually feel bad that 360 owners won’t get all that free content and will be stuck with paid for DLC. Or that PS3 owners won’t even get the paid for DLC.

    Yup, I’m a real jerk for caring about other consumers getting shafted, either a little or a lot and not just going ‘hey it’s big business, just accept it’.

    #37 6 years ago
  38. theevilaires

    ok the lesson we all learned today is to pirate Bethseda’s games from now on right :P JK of course ….(N.R.)

    #38 6 years ago
  39. NiceFellow

    Psychotext

    I think most of the analogy’s given are flawed. The reason I believe there is a fair cause for complaint here is that elements of this DLC don’t just add to the game, they alter the basic game.

    In truth, reading the content, and considering I feel the original game’s main quest ended very abruptly and was incomplete, for the first time I really feel that here is a game where the full content was held back to make a continued DLC drip feed possible.

    When you finished Oblivion it felt finished. The Knights of the Nine and Shivering Isles felt like traditional expansions, and neither touched the core gameplay or leveling.

    But here we have a case of buy the game, get to level 20 for your money, buy the DLC, get to level 30, etc. I guess WoW and MMO’s push a similar approach, but I really don’t like to see it entering offline games like this, particularly when it’s up for the highest bidder.

    As I’ve stated already I believe in fair and ethical trading, which is why most industries have some form of regulation. Right now there is none for gaming that I am aware of, and looking at the crazy double dealing going on over the last 18 months (and I’m not just including MS or Bethesda here) the traditional consoles, multi-games, exclusive games is fracturing into a mess from the consumer perspective.

    In most industries at some point such activity leads to a crash, its unsustainable and at some point enough of the consumer base rebels to cause a reluctant about face by the business’s involved.

    I hope that happens soon with this approach to exclusive DLC as it is truly sapping my enjoyment of games and making it an excessive chore when purchasing. I can’t believe a majority of consumers want a situation where you have to spend ages researching each release to work out which one will have what, on which console and then try and factor in early announcements of nebulous DLC.

    #39 6 years ago
  40. Michael O'Connor

    “The phone example is not good, but I’m impressed your argument, to use a more pertinent example, is that if I have three different makes of CD player I should by the same album three times, one for each?”

    But gaming consoles aren’t like CD players, and never have been. There’s been exclusive titles and exclusive content on different formats for years; I mean, the only way to get extra content for Morrowind on the original Xbox was the buy the GOTY edition, for example. And the PS3 version of Eternal Sonata has additional content you can’t get in the 360 version. Just two examples.

    Microsoft paid Rockstar for exclusive content. They paid Bethesda for exclusive content. Just like a mobile phone, or an MP3 player, or a camcorder, it is up to consumer to decide which unit benefits them the best. But they have no right to whine if the competition provides them with something better; in this case exclusive DLC.

    So yes, it is a pretty accurate metaphor. You can’t argue that games consoles are like CD players, because they’re simply not.

    “Again, you’re ignoring the fact that just because the DLC was announced people with only PS3s still have no choice, unless you’re really saying they should buy a 360 as well.”

    Yes, that is exactly what I’m saying. While we’re at it, lets ask Nintendo to release Mario as a downloadable character in a PS3 game, yeah? No.

    I don’t have Blu-ray on my 360. But I’m not complaining. If I want Blu-ray, I go buy a PS3. If I want exclusive Mirror’s Edge content, I buy the PS3 version of the game. If I want the Fallout 3 DLC, I buy the 360 version.

    The *only* people complaining about not getting content in any situation are the people who don’t own the format in question. That’s THEIR loss. Since I own all formats, I have the freedom to choose. If you chose one format over the other expecting some sort of privileges for your “dedication”… well, sucks to be you.

    “Again, how much companies must love your attitude. Thank goodness many times in the past others have been a little more willing to complain and force changes over time.”

    This is a piece of downloadable content, not the mass globalisation of the music industry or a monopoly software company forcing out the competition through forced product insertion.

    People *want* downloadable content. People are *willing* to pay for it. Each console manufacturer is going to do their best to ensure they have something to entice the customer, and every so often, the other side loses. That’s why you back both sides.

    “I really don’t like to see it entering offline games like this, particularly when it’s up for the highest bidder.”

    Then become a grumpy old man and live in the past. The future isn’t going to slow down for anyone. We won’t even *need* physical distribution in about 10 years.

    “I can’t believe a majority of consumers want a situation where you have to spend ages researching each release”

    It took me five minutes to decide “The DLC is on 360, so I’ll buy the 360 version”. If it had been on the PS3, I would have bought the PS3 version.

    Bethesda made their profit as soon as Microsoft paid them for the content.

    #40 6 years ago
  41. Psychotext

    Of course, had someone not funded the DLC in the first place then this whole issue wouldn’t be up for discussion right now. We’d have a top quality game with a slightly iffy ending.

    Hardly that unusual.

    #41 6 years ago
  42. fearmonkey

    Fallout3 is an amazing game, and it’s a shame the PS3 isnt getting the same amount of DLC luv.
    However, I remember the PS3 not getting all that much love with DLC on Oblivion too. Has Bethesda ever came out and said “MS Paid us for the exclusive DLC? I have never heard Bethesda themselves say it, just that others have implied it.
    I wonder if they just haven’t had much fun developing on the PS3, and don’t want to do it. After all, Oblivion PS3 didnt have the same amount of DLC that the 360 version did, and there was never any talk about MS paying them to only release certain DLC for the PS3.

    #42 6 years ago
  43. theevilaires

    have you ever heard the term “under the table”

    #43 6 years ago

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