Motorstorm PR was a 6, was it not?

And Warhawk a 7 (it’s defintely DEFINTELY not)

N’Gai Croal played it in 2007 though.

So the City view isn’t impossible by any means.

But then, some thigns, (as with the KZ2 CG) don’t fit with gameplay as well either.

Only if you watched the original target trailer on a 14″ rubbish portable. Motorstorm didn’t look anything like the quality of the pre-render, that’s bollocks.

The guy knows his stuff.

The thread I lurked in, there was still the battle of which is stronger, and both sides were putting up a great points, from documented evidence.

Shocked me actually quite how intelligeable he is on that subject.

Honestly, I’ve no problem being proven wrong, I’m just keen to discuss the tech side of things, as I’ve taken quite an interest in the tech behind this engine.

Let me revert to this fallacy.

Let me see somethign to challenge it on the 360.

Let me see the next Halo (not ODST), whatever that Asian woman is working on. Because thats where we will see the fruits of labour.

Anyway as I said… it was NOT 4 years. Liberation was developed between the E305 trailer, and the E307 reveal, by Guerilla Games.

And $42mil is still less than half of GTAIV’s cost. And therefore, I expect less than many AAA games.

So there was neitehr excessive time, nor too far above the average investment. All it was was exploring alternative techniques, to suit the alternative hardware.

Do you have a link to the IBM guy quote?

I’ve always read that Cell is significantly more powerful than MS’s CPU solution, and given that KZ2 makes full use of the SPE’s to get the graphics it does, it’s one time where I’m inclined to agree that this game is only possible in its current form on PS3.

No problem being proven wrong here BTW, but I’ve had a keen interest in the tech behind KZ2, and as everything is so heavily based around the unique functionality of the SPE’s, I don’t see where the 360 could substitute that amount of grunt from.

It looks better.”

See: http://www.gamesradar.com/f/killzone-2-2005-07-and-08-graphics-compared-in-video/a-20081217113324546074

It’s only their opinion, but it also happens to be fact.

The format wars bullshit is very 2006. Everybody and their dog has had their say on it and the general consensus has been their designs are radically different but they are roughly equivalent in terms of overall performance. The PS3 just has a steeper learning curve as it’s a more radical architecture.

That’s more or less what a chap from IBM said last week. Given they designed large parts of both boxes I’m inclined to think he’d know what he’s talking about.

As for budget, it was rumoured to have risen to EU42m on this very site last year. EU21m was the original estimate. That’s a pretty expensive game!

Like I say, if you gave a competent developer that amount time & money to develop their own propriety engine on the 360 and give them the same art direction, you’d get a very similar output. Both systems have their limitations. The 360′s is not being able to rely on the hard drive, the PS3′s is memory but anyone saying Game X would not be possible on Platform Y is largely talking out of their ass.

It’s ‘the tiger who came to tea’.

Still a classic…

Fire, Art direction, Motion Blur

In others it’s not as good:

Smoke, poly-count.

it still stands that there are people who think that it looks better than the CG, and that is an achievement in itself, so go ahead and have your opinion.

And Deftangel, you can’t disregard it like that. They are totally different consoles. They work radically different. All I can say is that Killzone, didn’t have a budget that high above you’re average HD game (shockingly). $21 mil according to an article I found in the NeoGAF thread.

4 years? Well 2/3 years really, since Liberation was done inbetween the E305 trailer and the E307 one.

As for looking better than it, that’s bullshit.

I read my son the same story about 5 times a night!!

*checks email*

*still nothing*

Fail at parenting.