Sony promises “ten years of value” with PlayStation 3

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Oh my days!

Is that 10 years of value since its release, or are we totally ignoring the two farcical rip-off years that have already passed?

This is the PS3 that doesn’t even include a proper video lead?

“Is that 10 years of value since its release, or are we totally ignoring the two farcical rip-off years that have already passed?”

Like the three years it’s taken the 360 to start actually working ?

Oooh, that’s fighting talk there mister!

But I thought all 360′s had HDMI outputs now?

Oh dear not this again, I thought they were past all this bullshit.

Stock response:
What if you don’t want wi-fi? Or online gaming? Or Blu-Ray?

Then you buy a 360 and you dont pay the subscripton for online.

What I needed: a HDMI cable in the box
What I do not need: a wireless connection to my router, Blu-Ray playback, mouse & keyboard support, etc etc

Technically they’re also missing that ALL Xbox 360 *Arcades* come with HDMI. (As do the other SKU’s, I doubt you could find a Core unit now)

Funny how they forgot about backwards compatibility as well.

The funny thing is the majority of people who will ever see this table are well informed enough to know it’s rubbish. Those who aren’t never will and won’t care. They just see the $199.

How is this ‘rubbish’ exactly? Did you even read the table?

Who the fuck are the Jones and why should I keep up with them?

It’s not ‘rubbish’, but it is purposely misleading. But what do you expect from a table provided by one of the parties involved? I’m sure Microsoft or Nintendo would spin it their own way if they’d made a table, too.

Yeah, why didn’t they put:

Qore subscription – $20
Rubber Ducky for Home – $3
Loads of other pointlessbarelygamerelated stuff from Home – $100
Waiting for LBP servers to go back up while all of your friends are playing Halo – Free

?

How is a “purposely misleading” comparison not a rubbish comparison?

The HDMI thing is definitely rubbish. Not only do all Arcade models come with HDMI, as the table is only really relevant to new purchases the lack of it on the Core sku is irrelevant.

If Microsoft pulled up a table comparing a current model with the launch PS3 units and adding on things like an HDMI cable / controllers with rumble I’d call that rubbish as well.

Well, it’s not rubbish because nothing they’ve said is actually ‘untrue’. Some of it is irrelevant, some is purposely misleading, but there’s marketing for you.

They want you to look at the list and go ‘oh, so actually the PS3 is pretty good value’ without thinking too hard about what the actual facts mean in real terms.

Ah, good ol’ meek Sony again

They’ve used that table a few times over the years and it’s even more bullshit now than it was in the beginning.

Why the hell would anyone buy an Arcade and then rush out to buy a seperate HDD, FFS?

And yes, odd how they don’t add the price of one of the ‘Premium’ Sony HDMI cables to the price of their own machine, seeing as it only comes supplied with bloody composite.

“Yeah, why didn’t they put:

Qore subscription – $20
Rubber Ducky for Home – $3
Loads of other pointlessbarelygamerelated stuff from Home – $100
Waiting for LBP servers to go back up while all of your friends are playing Halo – Free”

Why would they? All that is optional, in that case they may aswell add the price for games to…
Jeez the BS some of the 360 fanboys will say to try and discredit this list…
Oh and the LPB servers work perfectly, and to play Halo online isnt free atall.

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Technically speaking every $199 Arcade model has come with HDMI input and always has done.

I still maintain a comparison that contains irrelevant and purposely misleading elements is rubbish. At least as far as my understanding of the word “rubbish” goes. Rather than debate the meaning of the term perhaps we’ll just have to agree to disagree

Quite how many people they’re expecting to see this list and *not* know what the actual facts mean in real terms I don’t know. Perhaps they intend to put it up in GAME.

The sad thing is the PS3 is great value for a certain segment of the market and they don’t need stupid comparisons like this to justify it. Their real problem is that market segment just isn’t big enough.

Seriously? The fanboys are out in force.

HDMI cable – £1.99 or $1.80 from Play or Amazon

Oh my days, that’s a pricy add on.

@ Gekidami:

lol. That was my point exactly. They’re putting optional stuff down for the 360, so why not put the optional stuff for the PS3 if the chart is supposed to be fair?

I have a 360, but I don’t have or even need a wifi adapter. There are also other people who own 360′s but don’t pay for Live.

Anyway, who wouldn’t want to pay $3 for a virtual rubber ducky?? lol.

How is content for a game/app even compairable to the whole idea of online play? Sorry but you utterly, and in every way FAIL.

He is sort of right, though. They’re listing stuff that you don’t actually need as though it’s an essential. When it isn’t.

If Nintendo made a table Miyamoto would upend it!

LOL geekiest joke I’ve ever made

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Smacks of desperation by Sony to be honest.

Historically no platform manufacturer has spent more than two hardware cylces at the top of the pile.

It doesn’t look lik this generation is going to be any different.

Sony HDMI cable (seeing as they’re comparing official products). Or they could go the whole hog and buy a Monster HDMI cable for $100!

Strange how the Sony HDMI cable isn’t on that list, considering they make a deal of it having BluRay.

They should add the cost of an HDMI cable to that list. You can’t really take full advantage of the PS3 without it.

I was lucky in that I still had a PS1-era RGB scart cable to use with my PS3 before we got the new HD telly (otherwise I had to play it upstairs on my monitor for HD), and it was fairly horrible to try playing native PS3 games in SD even using RGB (due to thwe presumption everything would be in HD, like any text etc.), so I dread to think what it’d be like over composite.

Content for a game??

How is Qore content for a game??

Qore is your access to betas and other content that you won’t get unless you pay for it, so yeah, I’d say that it’s definitely comparible to the features of a gold account that Sony is trying to make a comparison with.

Plus the fact that Home is ‘supposed‘ to be an integral part of the PS3 experience anyway. It was never supoosed to be ‘just another app’, which is exactly why they’ve spent millions making it the kind of place where you need to spend money, so that they can start maing a profit to cover their offering of free online gaming.

Duh!

What if you don’t want to play on-line? Huh? They didn’t think of that did they? And they really need to add the price of a wireless router. Not to mention an HDMI cable!

If you used a PS3 online when they launched then you could definately tell that they didn’t think of playing online

Improved now, thankfully. In some ways.

wait a minute, can’t u play most original xbox games on a 360 available for brand new purchase right now? Oh yeah! No backwards compatibility on any PS3′s at the moment unless u want a used one; thus risking having no warrant and obtaining a yrod or sum other problem.

And then the price of an HDMI cable to top it all off!

Yeah, but lets not forget that the PS3 doesn’t come with an HDMI cable.

This is a very important point in all of this.

Yeah, it doesn’t come with a HDMI cable, which you *do* need for Blu-Ray. It DOES however come with a load of pap you *don’t* need to play games.

The only fair comparrision should be what is the minimum you have to spend to play games? Everything else is an extra.

Arcade wins, followed by the Premium, then the Wii, then the Elite, then the PS3.

Unless you’re doing a value for money thing of course, in which once again it’s entirly subjective to you. For me a Blu-Ray player isn’t worth £10. To the next guy it’s a fantastic addition to his PS3 and worth paying the extra £100 for.

Mmm… desperation. They did a similar thing when they launched too.

Dudes, seriously the HDMI cable is not an issue. They cost a couple of pounds/euros/dollars for a cheapie cable.

Anybody who buys an expensive HDMI cable over a cheap one is an idiot. HDMI cables are digital. No amount of gold is going to make a digital signal better than it already is. Digital signal goes in one end and out the other exactly the same.

The only way you may need to pay more for a HDMI cable is when you need a really long cable, say 10 metres because of signal degradation.

Oh, so you’re saying that Sony are just trying to rip us off with their $70 HDMI cables then?

Fuck yeah. I think it’s an absolute disgrace. It’s not just Sony either I should add.

The worst thing is that in electrical stores they will insist you need these hugely expensive cables too. The fuckers.

Cables can make a big difference to analog signals like SCART though. RGB fully wired, insulated etc can improve the picture a lot, but HDMI, hell no.

g00nerz, you aren’t wrong. Which is why it’s a bit lame that not only to Sony give you one in the box given the cost of a PS3 they also try to stiff you £20 or so for their “official” HDMI cable.

But that’s really not the issue here. The issue for me is rather than talk up the good things about the PS3 or it’s software line up for this year, some marketing wag thought it was a good idea to put out this daft chart which won’t fool 99% of the people likely to see it.

That you need to invest more than the initial price of the box to enjoy the “full” Xbox 360 experience is obvious. Microsoft obviously deemed it more important to give people a choice. If you’re not interested in Blu-Ray, online connectivity or HD gaming Sony don’t give people any. Funnily enough, that represents a significant number of people who want to buy a games console.

Quite why it’s a good idea to bring the focus back on the PS3 price I’ve no idea.

If they’re so cheap then why not stick one in the box? A standard HDMI cable from GAME is £14.99, which is a bit steep on top of the console price.

Just smacks of desperation and window dressing from a company who perhaps only now are starting to realise the extent of their bungling.

Makes complete sense, IF you want all that.

But touting Blu-Ray is ridiculous.

Do Sony bundle in a headset now? Or is that still an extra too? They appear to have neglected to mention it.

@BillyBatts and deftangel

Agreed, there defo should be one in the box.

As for the actual headline story here, Sony really need to get their advertising in order, not play about with stupid emails. Here in the UK I rarely see anything advertising PS3, whereas every 5 minutes there is a 360 advert.

A great example is Singstar Abba PS3. The whole Mamma Mia thing was MASSIVE. It’s the highest selling DVD ever in the UK. Did Sony advertise the fuck out of Singstar Abba like they should have? Did they fuck. Millions of potential sales missed.

@Blerk – don’t think so…can you even use a wired headset on the PS3? It’s going to make bundling any headset at any point in the future expensive if not.

@g00nerz – It would depend on how many consumers likely to want to buy SingStar Abba would be willing to shell out £300 for a PS3 as well if they didn’t have one. If there isn’t a significant number of people to leverage it’s not worth the marketing spend probably.

That said, I saw very little for LittleBigPlanet and/or Resistance over Xmas so your point’s valid. I remember an LBP ad in the cinema, that’s it. It followed a set of Gears, Lips & Fable ads to boot! The missus weren’t too impressed

g00nerz said: “Anybody who buys an expensive HDMI cable over a cheap one is an idiot.”

Yes. And anyone who wanted a 360 with a hard drive wouldn’t buy an Arcade and an HDD seperately, they’d buy a Pro

That’s the point. Sony’s list does its best to present the most stupid way to buy a 360.

Sony sells cheap HDMI cables too
http://www.amazon.com/Sony-DLCHM15-Meter-Audio-Video/dp/B00080M8J8/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1231430082&sr=1-4
http://www.amazon.com/Sony-DLCHD10P-Meter-speed-Cable/dp/B000RGALTM/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1231430082&sr=1-3
but they also sell expensive ones, so like Monster they can charge whatever with their sliding scale.

Personally I advise a cheap 2 pound wire…. but thats just me.
Yes the table has faults, but they do not outweigh the merits presented in the argument. That console price is more than the buy-in. Do you not think MS has figured they make back the lose they take for 360 by subscriptions?

Sony should wait for MS to launch their next system in 2 years then launch something and charge online premium subscription for $20 a year to reduce the cost. Plus their next system will use two cells, and will be cheaper out of the box than 720 or whatever.

I can’t believe they are trying to justify of all things, the price.

It’s one of the only things keeping the console back, and perhaps more to the point of profitability, the lineup too.