Reeves: “You don’t grow the market by putting out shoddy machines”

Saturday, 20 December 2008 08:27 GMT By Patrick Garratt


SCEE president David Reeves has told MCV that substandard hardware will do nothing to grow the games market.

“We also grow the market through new products – some work, some don’t, that’s just the Sony way,” he said.

“And on that point, another thing we have committed to for supporting market growth is putting out quality hardware – you don’t grow the market by putting out shoddy machines.

“So we try to make sure that PS3s have a failure rate of just two to three per cent, which is very low by industry standards.”

Take that, Microsoft.

Thanks, Kotaku.


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  1. lelik

    nowhere was the xbox 360 mentioned. i know the intrawebs knows what sony is talking about but it isn’t really an attack on microsoft unless you pay attention to gaming news. a lot of people don’t know about rrod.

    #1 6 years ago
  2. Esha

    Yep, aside from one or two silly outbursts, Sony has been smart enough to keep themselves away from the childish “LOLOLSONY” nonsense that Microsoft (and their supporters) loves to engage in.

    This is why I’m glad that we have responsible developers like Media molecule, Insomniac, and Naughty Dog on Sony’s end, so they won’t have to deal with the kind of idiocy that Cliffy “Don’t call me Cliffy B” B enjoys spreading around the Internet.

    This is why I’m not ashamed to own a PS3, and I’m not ashamed to own a PC, and i’m not ashamed of owning a Wii, but I am ashamed of my XBox 360. :p I feel inches away from selling the thing so I can feel clean again, sometimes.

    #2 6 years ago
  3. Robo_1

    I’m amazed they haven’t said much about that before now.

    #3 6 years ago
  4. Psychotext

    Glass houses… PS2DRElol

    Also, Esha – you’re really, really strange. Sony, MS and Nintendo are all as bad as each other and you know it deep down.

    #4 6 years ago
  5. morriss

    Just sell it, Esha.

    #5 6 years ago
  6. Whizzo

    I’m amazed they haven’t said much about that before now.

    Desperate times call for desperate measures. It’s also a bit too late really, the 360′s reliability has been improved so much that it dying isn’t that much of an issue these days. Of course they still die but then so do most things.

    #6 6 years ago

    Sony has been smart enough to keep themselves away from the childish “LOLOLSONY” nonsense that Microsoft (and their supporters) loves to engage in.

    I think it’s fair to say that the biggest LOL’ism’ thrown at 360 owners is the RROD, so maybe it’s a little idealistic to attempt to paint a picture of Sony’s “supporters” not mentioning anything on the issue.

    Anyway, maybe if Sony had put more pressure on MS about this from the start, they wouldn’t have taken so long to pull their fingers out and get the problem fixed.

    #7 6 years ago
  8. anasui

    well, PS3 and failure rate go along pretty well, so I guess he’s right

    #8 6 years ago
  9. warlock7

    I’ve had 4 360s go to Texas for “repair”. The PS3 runs along strong and quiet. I wish I could say the same for the 360…

    #9 6 years ago
  10. Gamoc

    Ah the PS3, the strong and silent type.

    #10 6 years ago
  11. OrphanageExplosion

    Funnily enough, Sony managed to grow the market quite nicely with the shoddy launch model PS2…

    #11 6 years ago
  12. Quiiick

    Sony’s early “PS2″ failure rate was maybe 5%-10% while Microsoft’s “360″ had a failure rate much higher than 50%!

    Just in case you ask: No, no one has hard facts for these numbers apart from the 2 companies mentioned above, and they will never share their real data, but I’m quite sure my guess is not too far away from the truth.

    #12 6 years ago
  13. Psychotext

    Quiiick is the vgchartz of the console failure stats world. :D

    #13 6 years ago
  14. Quiiick

    c’mon, vgchartz isn’t THAT bad … ;)

    #14 6 years ago
  15. dQuarters

    When my PS2 went to crap … TWICE … Sony did nothing to make good on their hardware failures, costing me hundreds of dollars. When my 360 went down, all that was required of me was patience.
    This is not in defense of 360′s “substandard” hardware. But Sony is no better. Let’s not pretend they are.

    #15 6 years ago
  16. Gekidami

    Depends on how you look at it, from launch till the PS3 came out (in Europe) i had my PS2(‘s) beak twice aswell, i dont know how many years that was, but i’m sure its better then my 360 count which is at 4 since its launch, not counting the one i have that makes a terrible sound and dosnt play the games it scratched, i ended up buying another one just so i could finish NG2…

    #16 6 years ago

    lol. Maybe it’s just me, but I’ve had

    A Gameboy, NES, SNES, 2 N64′s, a GBA, a Gamecube, a PS1, PS2, Xbox and 2 Xbox 360′s, all of which worked pretty perfectly until I either sold them or gave them away.

    The ‘worst’ of these was my first (roughly 2 year old) 360 which started showing artifacts on the textures of one game, and when I gave it away after replacing it with an Elite, it still hadn’t RROD’d.

    The only console that I can say totally died on me was a DS, which just refused to charge even though it wasn’t that old.

    Maybe it’s just me, or maybe other people just don’t take care of their property well enough…

    #17 6 years ago
  18. trav

    Everything I’ve owned console wise has never really broken down. The only machine I’ve had serious problems with is the 360. Since getting one at launch I’ve gone through 5 of the bastards and hoping the 6th one will keep going now.

    Least with Sony, if it does break and they arrange a repair they swap over your console at the door unlike the MS method of taking it away for 4 weeks and then send it back hoping it won’t break again.

    #18 6 years ago
  19. Psychotext

    “hoping the 6th one will keep going now”

    Yeah… wouldn’t bet money on it if I were you.

    #19 6 years ago
  20. Gamoc

    My PS3 broke in sometime around January or something, it was a 60gb and I just took it back and traded it for a 40gb (and CoD4). I don’t regret the decision too much, I didn’t play PS2 games too much on it anyway, so…

    I got a PS2 at launch and never had any problems with it. I traded it in when I was getting my PS3, a year and 2 months ago.

    #20 6 years ago
  21. Blerk

    Amusing that he doesn’t recall the early days of the PS2. Specifically the cheap-arsed DVD drives, like the one in my original fatty model. Which broke.

    #21 6 years ago
  22. Gamoc

    That’s completely different to ths Xbox 360 though. Sony were not aware of the problem beforehand and it was nowhere near as wide spread.

    #22 6 years ago
  23. Psychotext

    Bad enough to lose a class action court case over… and they were happy enough to charge people for the fix up until that point. Much like the RRoD there was plenty of advice on the internet about how to fix it too.

    But anyway, it’s all academic now. They sorted the PS2s on the whole, and they’ve sorted the 360s on the whole.

    #23 6 years ago
  24. theevilaires

    Psychotext said: But anyway, it’s all academic now. They sorted the PS2s on the whole, and they’ve sorted the 360s on the whole.

    bullshit sony’s read error disk problem was never on the same level as the rrod get your head out of ms ass you dumb fuck

    #24 6 years ago
  25. morriss

    Do you have to be so aggressive? Just relax.

    #25 6 years ago
  26. Psychotext

    theevilaires: Please point me to where in my post I said it was as bad… I’m having trouble spotting it. It might be because I didn’t type that, but I can’t be absolutely sure.

    #26 6 years ago
  27. theevilaires

    just you comparing that was bad enough point period.Sony didn’t know like ms knew before they launch that their systems had a high failure rate.For a console that had the first dvd built in, is it that surprising they had some disk read errors.Did PS2 ever leave a big ass ring around your disk? NO!Did the PS2 ever shut off during less of a year worth of gameplay?NO! Is Ps2 the best selling game console and wii ps3 and 360 numbers total will never surpass 150+ million combined ever…maybe yes but one things for sure a 150+ million consoles sold did very well with a read disk error problem. 360 will never match ps2 sells ….and the wii won’t either

    #27 6 years ago
  28. Psychotext

    You’re batshit mental. The Wii sales will easily overtake the PS2 sales. It’s sold something like 10m more than the PS2 did in the same timescale… and that’s without a price drop and with it being supply limited since launch in the US.

    All that and without having their consoles stop reading discs every five minutes. Impressive really.

    #28 6 years ago
  29. theevilaires

    stupid child time will prove you wrong i don’t have to waste my time explaining it to you. keep reading your numbers and go to bed with your love pet morriss

    #29 6 years ago
  30. Psychotext

    Who knows, in the time it takes the Wii to outsell the PS2 you may even have matured enough to handle the fact.

    #30 6 years ago
  31. theevilaires

    Psychotext said: All that and without having their consoles stop reading discs every five minutes. Impressive really.

    yea you got ms cock in your mouth there’s the proof right there every five minutes lol. can anyone else post the same issue with their ps2. 3shitty fag boys don’t post we know who you are.

    #31 6 years ago
  32. theevilaires

    lol psychobitch you’re dumber than i thought. you’ve inspired me to join you on your retarded quest for stupid post. it’s time to shut you 360 fags up for good…..

    #32 6 years ago
  33. Michael O'Connor

    “All that and without having their consoles stop reading discs every five minutes. Impressive really.”

    The disc read error thing was a fairly isolated incident, and was fixed fairly promptly after launch. I for one have never seen a PS2 that it actually happened to.

    The RRoD on the other hand… I have enough sense not to play my 360 so constantly to cause one to happen (power conservation, it works!), but I know someone whose gone through two. And whilst I’ll preach the general quality of 360 games a lot more than I will PS3 games, only a fanboy could ignore how major a problem the RRoD was, and still is.

    theevilaires might not be getting his point across in the most eloquent way possible, but he’s actually right this time…

    #33 6 years ago
  34. theevilaires

    Michael O’Connor you’ve earned some respect points. glad to see someone can take the truth for what it is. if a console with such a high failure rate as the 360 can’t be called a peace of shit for what it is, then there’s no hope for humanity

    #34 6 years ago
  35. theevilaires

    in my opinion ps2 is my favorite console and the fact that i have one inside my ps3 (both of them 20gb+60gb)just makes it the best console around to me.Sorry to the guys that sony fucked over :(

    #35 6 years ago
  36. Michael O'Connor

    “in my opinion ps2 is my favorite console and the fact that i have one inside my ps3 (both of them 20gb+60gb)just makes it the best console around to me.Sorry to the guys that sony fucked over :(”

    And you earned some kudos for admitting Sony *can* fuck up. *laughs*

    Trust me mate, if you were a little less… blunt in expressing your opinion, you’d probably get less flaming =P

    It’s unfair to call any format shit. Each one has it merits and problems, and all of them have games worth playing.

    #36 6 years ago
  37. theevilaires

    you’re true ms is not all bad and neither is sony. but the ignorance of some people to lie just to make themselves feel better is the reason why we have wars.I’ve been reading you guys comments for months and enough was just enough.Sony and MS has done the industry both good.Everybody stop the bashing.

    #37 6 years ago
  38. Psychotext

    lol… you hypocritical sob.

    #38 6 years ago
  39. Gamoc

    I have no doubt that the Wii will overtake PS2′s sales, so will the PS3, eventually, and the 360 probably will, too. Bigger market, and all that.

    I, too, have never seen a PS2 that has died. I had one since launch day and only got rid of it when I traded it in for a 60gb PS3 (which then died a few months afterwards… oh the bitter fuckirony).

    #39 6 years ago
  40. Psychotext

    I really don’t think the 360 or the PS3 will come close to what the PS2 sold. In fact I reckon neither will break 70m when all is said and done.

    #40 6 years ago
  41. theevilaires

    that’s it i tried to be nice 360 ass holes are going down

    #41 6 years ago
  42. Gamoc

    The PS3 will, 10 year lifespan, futureproof, that kinda thing. 360 is hazier, though.

    #42 6 years ago
  43. Psychotext

    What are you mumbling about theevilaires?

    Gamoc: 10 year lifespan is only really viable when you’re the clear market leader. Customers decide how long your console survives and sells… it’s not just something you can say is going to happen. So obviously, time will tell on that one.

    Even if it does, that doesn’t automatically equate to monster sales in the last of those 10 years. You can take the PS2 as an example. In the US it did around 3.5m in its 8th year. That compares to around 7m in its second year.

    #43 6 years ago
  44. Gamoc

    …that’s still half of what it did it it’s second year SIX YEARS LATER. That’s damn good if you ask me.

    And no, I can’t see the PS3 dying. It’s too good. The system itself, the games are catching, if not already caught up, with more to come. It isn’t going to die before it’s 10 years.

    #44 6 years ago
  45. Psychotext

    “That’s damn good if you ask me.”

    Oh for sure, but if the PS3 follows a similar sales curve then its sales will be miserable long before it makes it to its eighth year. With the Wii stalking around eating up all the casuals, the 360 costing next to nothing and picking up the hardcore and standalone blu-ray player prices now available for half the price of the PS3 it’s going to be hard for it to fight back.

    Who knows, maybe they can pull out a big enough price cut to turn things around with.

    #45 6 years ago
  46. Gamoc

    Yeah, I think a price cut is really where it’s at right now. Cut it down to, say, £200 and the world will implode.

    I’m pretty sure I read somewhere that the PS3 is at the same amount of sales as the PS2 was at thsi point in it’s life.

    #46 6 years ago
  47. Psychotext

    That was from the screwed up VGChartz “from launch” chart. At the same number of months after both consoles launched the PS3 is at about 18m sold and the PS2 was at 36m sold.

    #47 6 years ago
  48. Michael O'Connor

    “The PS3 will, 10 year lifespan, futureproof, that kinda thing. 360 is hazier, though.”

    A 10 year lifespan is only going to happen if 1) sales rise instead of fall, as they recently did, and 2) The competition doesn’t release a competitively priced new format that detracts attention away from it. And lets not pretend that both Nintendo and Microsoft aren’t capable of that.

    How exactly is it “futureproof”?

    “I’m pretty sure I read somewhere that the PS3 is at the same amount of sales as the PS2 was at thsi point in it’s life.”

    Whoever told you that is talking shit. The PS2 managed almost 40 million sales in its first two years, and within three years of its existence, it was selling more units in six months than the PS3 has in two years. for just one valid resource to back that up.

    Compared to the PS2, NEITHER the 360 or the PS3 are selling that well, and their COMBINED sales are about the same as the PS2 at this point in its life cycle. The PS2 already reached a sales saturation point, so the only thing the PS3 and 360 can do is “share” that section of the public.

    The “bigger” market companies are aiming for doesn’t apply to the consoles; it applies to the games. The games are where the big money is at.

    But they don’t seem to realise that the general public doesn’t really care; they’ve already got Wii Sports, Brain Training, and Wii Fit; and like it or not, the Wii is the format that is blowing ahead right now.

    The 360 and the PS3 are just trying to play catch up.

    At least for 2009 the PS3 seems to have a decent lineup of strong games for the core audience. It’s gonna be a hard year for Microsoft in my opinion, despite how well they have done up to now.

    #48 6 years ago
  49. Blerk

    I’m beginning to feel left out of the “we never go to bed” gang!

    #49 6 years ago
  50. patlike

    They love it. Even I sleep more than they do.

    #50 6 years ago
  51. Michael O'Connor

    “I’m beginning to feel left out of the “we never go to bed” gang!”

    Insomnia is funny like that.

    #51 6 years ago
  52. Blerk

    The funny thing is, I was up until half one last night. But I was… playing games! :-D

    #52 6 years ago
  53. Michael O'Connor

    “The funny thing is, I was up until half one last night. But I was… playing games! :-D”

    So was I, but then my Fallout 3 disc got damaged because I was stupid enough to move my 360 while playing it. :(

    #53 6 years ago

    I was up late last night too, playing Pure.

    It’s a very good game.

    Can’t say that I felt the need to move my 360 though… lol.

    #54 6 years ago
  55. JonFE

    Kudos to Michael O’Connor for teaching theevilaires some good old-fashioned manners – his uncalled-for foul language was getting on my tits :-D

    #55 6 years ago
  56. Psychotext

    Yeah… I was playing games too. But I needed a break between some of the utterly meh community games. So I decided to wind up theevilaires. :D

    #56 6 years ago
  57. theevilaires

    Psychotext said:Yeah… I was playing games too. But I needed a break between some of the utterly meh community games. So I decided to wind up theevilaires. :D

    beware you could start a tornado you can’t put out….wait to late!!! expect 360fagboy bashing coming to a post near you TOMORROW! THE HOLIDAY SPECIAL YEAR END WRAP UP! Hosted by me.HAPPY HOLIDAYS (MORRIS,PSYCHOBITCH,SYROC,And GIGANUTS!):P

    #57 6 years ago
  58. Psychotext

    They mostly come at night. Mostly.

    #58 6 years ago
  59. Blerk

    Nuke from orbit?

    #59 6 years ago
  60. Whizzo

    It’s the only way to be sure.

    #60 6 years ago
  61. theevilaires

    JonFE said:Kudos to Michael O’Connor for teaching theevilaires some good old-fashioned manners – his uncalled-for foul language was getting on my tits :-D

    he what?! taught me?! ahahahaha O’connor just happens to be someone of logic unlike most people on this site (giganuts).As far as O’connor “teaching” me i think you need a lesson of your own when to mind your fucking business and let Adults do the grown up talking.Go suck on your tits why don’t you imbecile.

    #61 6 years ago
  62. theevilaires

    Anyhow excuse me I would like to have everyone’s attention.My HOLIDAY SPECIAL YEAR END WRAP UP! will be canceled. Sorry for any upsets.

    #62 6 years ago
  63. Johnny Cullen

    Oh no, EE!

    You broke my fragile heart with the wrap up canceled :(

    *goes back to Fallout 3 on the Xbox 360*

    #63 6 years ago
  64. theevilaires

    please change your name to johhny C every time i see it i misread it as johnny cunt.

    #64 6 years ago
  65. dirigiblebill


    #65 6 years ago
  66. wz

    theevilaires said:
    [...] let Adults do the grown up talking.Go suck on your tits why don’t you imbecile.

    #66 6 years ago
  67. dirigiblebill


    #67 6 years ago

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