Last Remnant director: 360′s easier to work with than PS3

Do you thnk they have to sign something saying that they will release one statement of this sort during the hype train?

—- this is an rhetorical statement winking at all those 360s fanboys who said Sony makes people talk about Bluray etc….

“But at the end of the day, it’s arguing apples and oranges.”

No it isn’t. What you’re saying simply isn’t correct.

But whatever.

TOPIC CLOSED. Thank you!

Nutters.

“No it isn’t. What you’re saying simply isn’t correct.”

The hardware specifications and certain games that wouldn’t be graphically possibly on the 360 say otherwise

Might wanna chill those over-defensive fanboy tendencies, mate. Get some fresh air. I’m just trying to have a friendly discussion, not some fanboy bitch-fest. If you wanna argue that what I’m saying “simply isn’t correct”, at least bother to argue WHY. Simply saying so doesn’t make it so.

No they don’t, and it’s nothing to do with being a fanboy. My god it’s a nursery in here. I say you’re wrong, so it must be a fanboy bitchfest?! What planet are you on?

Just look up 256Mb of VRAM on google and see where it leads you.

It’s just plain fact, mate, nothing to do with preference over a fucking piece of electronics. Both consoles are bottlenecked, both are good at some things, bad at others.

wow i just read all 50+ comments and i have to say that gigahurtz is one annoying piece of shit. seriously dude please OFICIALLY fuck off.

“It’s just plain fact, mate, nothing to do with preference over a fucking piece of electronics. Both consoles are bottlenecked, both are good at some things, bad at others.”

Which is… exactly what I was saying?

The visual clarity of a number of PS3 and the major compression required just to get games like GTAIV on one disc add to that point. The difference isn’t a *huge* gap, but it is there.

But its all moot. At the end of the day, if the game is good enough, the meagre difference means jack.

OMG, the PS3 really is shit isn’t it?

It isn’t a *huge* gap? But you said a “large mile.” Which is it?

Also, have you looked up VRAM yet?

“It isn’t a *huge* gap? But you said a “large mile.” Which is it? ”

In the case of a game like Heavenly Sword and Uncharted, it is a huge mile. In the case of general multi-format titles, not so much.

And yes I have. It doesn’t change what I’ve seen with my own eyes. Badly programmed PS3 games tend to look visually barren (Resistance being a good example), often-times can’t handle as many visual effects, but there *are* titles on the PS3 that are way ahead of the 360′s capabilities… but hey, they might be an issue of limited disc-space as much as anything else.

I really don’t know why you’re touting Heavenly Sword as a technical win. Anything that wasn’t cutscene was a mess, tearing and frame drops all over the place.

Sport Billy!

You really are totally deluded and appear to be going mad.

You’re going into some psychotic monologue!! LOL!!

“I’m glad we’ve witnessed his antics today”

Who are you talking to?? Who’s this “we” you seem to be so chummy with??

You are going on like there’s someone ‘with’ you. Someone sharing your mental illness.

Who’s with you??

No one, that’s who!

Nut case!

Next you’ll probably be talking about yourself in the third person!!

You’re so pretentious, you think that people are actually paying attention to your dribble like you were some sort of primary school teacher lecturing his class.

Nobody listens to what you say. Nobody pays attention. Nobody thinks that you know what you’re talking about.

Rather, people think you’re a twat.

Just think about it it Sport Billy. Do you really think that people are going to vote you as the most annoying, irritating person that visits this website and then suddenly LIKE you!?!?

You really do seem to have lost all common sense.

Not even for a few weeks, or a month, but the MOST HATED PERSON on the website in the whole of 2008!!

That’s your problem. I’ve sat and read your pathetic comments where you go on like you know it all, and you’re some industry expert, and I’ve read as you’ve bullied regular gamers with your ‘high and mighty’ tone and your utterly mistaken self righteous stupidity.

Then you thought you could bully me!!

Oops! Didn’t know that I wasn’t just some regular guy who “owns a console“, did you??

Didn’t know that I’ve probably worked in the games industry for longer than you, got more development experience than you, sold more games than you and got higher ratings for the games that I’ve developed than you… did you!?

You’re probably just some jumped up little waste of space junior programmer, a couple of years out of uni, still wet around the ears after scraping a 2:1.

Do yourself a favour Sport Billy, wake up and realise that you’re ALONE, on your OWN, unwanted by a community that voted you the MOST HATED and isolated by your own repulsive character.

Honestly!

A MONOLOGUE!! LOL!!

Oh, and sorry to disappoint you, but I really don’t care about MS, or the 360.

The truth is that I couldn’t really care less about brand names or stupid allegiances.

I just want to play the best games, and the FACT is that there are a whole lot more of the best games on the 360 with a much better online network.

If you really paid attention to what I said instead of being so ANAL, you’d notice that I spend way more time talking down the PS3 than I do talking up the 360.

Anyone can slate it off, I don’t care. Anyone can slate MS off, I don’t care.

Anyway, I grew up my whole life playing Nintendo, so in reality if there’s any single manufacturer that I’d even spend more than a few seconds ACTUALLY defending, it’d be them.

Prat.

Oh, and:

1. I’ve already said that Last Remnant probably is a technical mess (I’ve never played it).
2. We’ve already established that you are totally unable to dispute his statements, so you lose again.

So now Insomniac are bad programmers? Ok.

Sweet mother of Pearl! So this is what post nuclear bomb human interaction would be like. Last remnant indeed…

“I really don’t know why you’re touting Heavenly Sword as a technical win. Anything that wasn’t cutscene was a mess, tearing and frame drops all over the place.”

I never suffered any tearing or frame-rate problems while playing it.

Now, Last Remnant on the other hand… ¬_¬ Still a great RPG though.

“So now Insomniac are bad programmers? Ok.”

No, but Resistance still has a barren and empty look gameworld. I’m not sure how saying that one of the developer’s game looks shit = me stating their bad programmers. Oh, that’s right, you’re blowing my statement out of proportion in an attempt to undermine it.

And welcome to another case of unsolved mysteries…

8.32pm: “Badly programmed PS3 games tend to look visually barren (Resistance being a good example)”

9.02pm: “I’m not sure how saying that one of the developer’s game looks shit = me stating their bad programmers. Oh, that’s right, you’re blowing my statement out of proportion in an attempt to undermine it.”

Does anyone know what happened to Mr O’Connor in the 30 missing minutes…?

Christ what’s going on in here. There are two statements which appear to me the general concensus from what I’ve read amongst people who should know what they’re talking about. Mind you, this debate is very 2006.

i) The PS3 & 360 are roughly equal in power *all things considered* 360 has more usable more memory, better GPU. PS3 has HDD as standard, very powerful processor once mastered.

ii) The 360 tools & API is excellent. It has an architecture more similar to that of a PC. This is makes it easier to get to grips with than the Cell architecture which was quite a radical departure at the time. Memory is still a challenge on the PS3. Sony had to play catch up in terms of support & docs though they’ve put a lot of effort into that in recent times.

Supporting evidence would be the raft of early cross platform games, Epic’s struggles with UE3 on the PS3 and Burnout Paradise, which led development on Sony’s platform largely because it was easier to go from PS3 -> 360 than the other way round.

Being easier to develop for does not automatically make one machine more powerful than the other!

Consider yourself lucky then Michael, because you’d be one of the few that didn’t. I must admit that I only played the demo, but that had plenty of it. Reviews mentioned the problems with the final game, as did forums in the weeks after release.

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morriss said:

December 16th, 2008 at 5:32 pm

“If developers focused on the PS3’s capabilities more, you would likely see many more games on the PS3 that outshine (on a purely technical level) the 360 by a large mile.”

holy crap batman did morris just wake up and smell the roses.

Ask yourselves one question, SCEA, Naughty Dog and a few other key PS3 centric developers have world class programmers. So… If they had the power, tools and the knowledge to distance the PS3 from the 360 in terms of graphics, wouldn’t they have done it already? Yes they would have.

The truth is they have come to grips with the PS3 SDK and cannot do it, not because it’s that harder to code for, but because it’s not possible. They are both of similar capacity, but differ in one common area, storage. 360 is limited by dvd-9 media capacity where as PS3 has the storage media but lacks the capacity (RAM)to fully display all that BD-Rom content.

G1GAHURTZ, if you ‘ve worked in the games industry for a long time, got much development experience , sold many games and got high ratings for the games that you’ve developed then you sure as fuck wouldn’t type all of that.. and you sure wouldn’t comment every single article on this site with some anti-PS3 stuff.. I mean, just as an example: you were fucking first to comment here and say “you know it, Hiroshi!”… I mean, sure I too like posting comments and stuff, but there really is no point for a successful game developer to constantly sit and post all of this fucking crap..

ps3 would shit on all consoles if developers developed on it first. thats fact my little euro friends, grow up and start realizing the truth. santa clause is fake, your moms are sluts and xbox360 is a piece of shit.thank you and have a happy holiday

Yeah, of course not DaMan.

I’d hide in a mountain retreat in switzerland and only speak in public whilst covering my mouth, like Joe Pesci in Casino.

Obviously people who work in the games industry don’t use the internet, and they don’t have opinions either, do they…?

@theevilaires hate to break it to ya buddy but EA and a few others has resorted to this, making the PS3 the lead platform, and guess what? It hasnt fixed anything. Multi platform games still suck a little or a lot more on PS3.

daMan, meganuts is a retard don’t take him or any other fanboy on this site seriously. he probably has no friends and this is the only way he can feel special. let him have his fifteen mnutes of being an ass clown on a second rated gaming website. if he went to any other one they would tear him a new ass hole.

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mortiferus said:

December 16th, 2008 at 9:37 pm

@theevilaires hate to break it to ya buddy but EA and a few others has resorted to this, making the PS3 the lead platform, and guess what? It hasnt fixed anything. Multi platform games still suck a little or a lot more on PS3.

another moron please stop spreading your lies son
oh and your insult please come at me with good material then i’ll shit on you like i do the rest of your love butt buddies.happy holidays HOMO!

You can’t handle the truth!

Case Closed!

ahahahaha you must be one of those trailer park trash redneck americans then. how many times you insest today boy

don’t run now the fun just starting.you can wait another 10 minutes to play with yourself

case closed when its too hot in the kitchen 360fagboys RROD

I await Esha’s comment…

“Obviously people who work in the games industry don’t use the internet, and they don’t have opinions either, do they…?”

But not to the point of going FUBAR because of opinions other then your own, and commenting like a grade A fanboy on every single article. Besides every time you post, you ‘re making it look like PS3 is a complete piece of shit really, yet you seem to be sure you aren’t even biased. ffs that’s just nuts, dude.

Surely this no banning policy has some limits…

Or is it ok for everyone to start abusing people’s family members too?

Is that 85 comments here? Wtf is wrong with you folks.

Who said I’m not biased!?

I don’t like the PS3, it’s as simple as that!

You don’t have to like a thing to work on it!!

I work to get paid. I’m blessed enough to be able to have a job where I can sit at a computer and make games for a living.

That doesn’t mean that I have to have some sort of special impartiality or remove all of my honest opinions.

How am I a fanboy anyway?? It’s easy to throw this tag around, but it’s just people’s misconceptions.

Just because I don’t like Sony and own a 360, you think that that that automatically makes me a 360 fanboy.

Sorry, but no. I just dont like Sony.

I didn’t like them when they tried to compete with the SNES, I didn’t like them when they tried to compete with the N64, I didn’t like them when they helped to kill of the Gamecube, I didn’t like them when they got me all hyped about the PS3 and then totally messed it up, and I don’t like them now.

I don’t care about what happens to MS, or the 360 as long as I can play the best games.

That’s just my personnal opinion, and doesn’t have any impact whatsoever on my ability to do my job as a professional.

I make games for a living, I’m very priveliged, and very thankful for the blessings that I have, and as a professional it’s my job to make the best games that I can and the platform has so far, never been my choice.

But that doesn’t mean that I can’t have an opinion about what’s going on in the world of gaming.

meganuts can’t handle some heat well gtfo youngster

Btw, who in here ever programmed for the PS3 and/or 360? Let them speak, and the others can just stfu. You won’t be able to ascertain the simplicity of coding for either console by bitching about technical specs or fucked up games.

Btw, simplicity is not really measurable quantitatively, so that’s stfu^2.

everyone say it all together “meganuts you’re a loser!”

G1GAHURTZ said:

December 16th, 2008 at 10:14 pm

Who said I’m not biased!?

I don’t like the PS3, it’s as simple as that!

an insane,lonely,ugly mofo fanboy shows his true colors….well at least he came out with it.any others?

why can’t we all just get along. we’re all gamers lets just play some good games eh

lol guess not…euro wankers

You do seem to have too much time on your hands.

Maybe we don’t want to get along with pig-headed Americans

“Mind you, that fact can also make developers lazy. If developers focused on the PS3’s capabilities more, you would likely see many more games on the PS3 that outshine (on a purely technical level) the 360 by a large mile.”

I don’t think I’m blowing your opinion out of proportion, Michael when I suggest you’re saying that Insomniac is lazy. I was referring to this paragraph. If I understood incorrectly, then I’m sorry.

G1GAHURTZ, but if you yourself know that you’re biased, and you aren’t a 360 fanboy, then what’s the whole point of posting your opinions like this? to tell the whole world how much you hate the fucked company that is Sony? because clearly there’s no sense in debating with you for someone who has a different point of view.

funny you’re saying all of that about Sony, btw, because I feel the exact same about MS. I despise that company, since the very beginning.

and I do work as a coder in gaming industry, yet I don’t wait for every MS-related article to post my thoughts on MS and their platforms in comments every single time. because there’s no point in that. if you really want to tell everyone how shitty is PS3, then go ahead and say that like Gabe Newell, tell everyone that PS3 is a disaster. but there’s no sense in this bullshit, and going mad about all this like that.

“yet I don’t wait for every MS-related article to post my thoughts on MS and their platforms in comments every single time”

Just most of them.

Oh please. I think I registered on VG247 only in September, my first post was about a Guitar Hero game I think. before that, I just checked this one for news.

I basically comment on something clearly biased or ridiculous. it’s just that VG247, for some unknown reason, has more MS related news.

Relax geezer, the smiley was there for a reason.