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	<title>Comments on: Fallout 3 for pre-order on Steam now</title>
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		<title>By: Hunam</title>
		<link>http://www.vg247.com/2008/10/24/fallout-3-for-pre-order-on-steam-now/comment-page-1/#comment-35662</link>
		<dc:creator>Hunam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 16:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm, interesting view.  However, should the publisher be asking the customer to consider them?  It seems a strange logic, you want to shift the product and make money so you need the customers, however it seems a strange practice to expect the customer to come half way with the seller.  At the end of the day the customer is parting with cash for something that is not a necessity.  

I personally don&#039;t like DRM, but I understand the position of the sellers and I know that at the moment its the only thing they have to protect themselves.  Troika going down because of the lack of protection on Vampire Bloodlines was a travesty and if DRM would have kept them going then i&#039;d have been for it.  However it is a buyers right to be selfish and I think that all the entertainment industries are forgetting this and so alot of honest customers are starting to feel a little more despondent.  PC gaming just seems to be going the way of the music industry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm, interesting view.  However, should the publisher be asking the customer to consider them?  It seems a strange logic, you want to shift the product and make money so you need the customers, however it seems a strange practice to expect the customer to come half way with the seller.  At the end of the day the customer is parting with cash for something that is not a necessity.  </p>
<p>I personally don&#8217;t like DRM, but I understand the position of the sellers and I know that at the moment its the only thing they have to protect themselves.  Troika going down because of the lack of protection on Vampire Bloodlines was a travesty and if DRM would have kept them going then i&#8217;d have been for it.  However it is a buyers right to be selfish and I think that all the entertainment industries are forgetting this and so alot of honest customers are starting to feel a little more despondent.  PC gaming just seems to be going the way of the music industry.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.vg247.com/2008/10/24/fallout-3-for-pre-order-on-steam-now/comment-page-1/#comment-35654</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 14:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess thats a fair point. I&#039;m just a steam junky. I like steam because it gives both the publisher security as well as the gamer not feeling short changed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess thats a fair point. I&#8217;m just a steam junky. I like steam because it gives both the publisher security as well as the gamer not feeling short changed.</p>
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		<title>By: Shatner</title>
		<link>http://www.vg247.com/2008/10/24/fallout-3-for-pre-order-on-steam-now/comment-page-1/#comment-35653</link>
		<dc:creator>Shatner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 14:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s fair enough David. I like Steam too and have had nothing but positive experiences with it.

However, your anecdotal evidence is likely to be echoed by over a million legitimate Spore owners too. They won&#039;t have found the DRM intrusive to them one bit. Amazing eh? Consideirng the fuss so many crybabies kicked up about it a few weeks back. The majority, it seems, who hadn&#039;t even got the product or been exposed to its DRM!

An anecdotal contrast: When Halflife 2 came out it was attached to your Steam account. Even the boxed version. My friend bought Halflife 2 and (amazing but true) he had no ISP at the time. He was unable to play the game he had bought. He couldn&#039;t even play it a single time.

So, for some people, their experience with Steam will not be the same as yours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s fair enough David. I like Steam too and have had nothing but positive experiences with it.</p>
<p>However, your anecdotal evidence is likely to be echoed by over a million legitimate Spore owners too. They won&#8217;t have found the DRM intrusive to them one bit. Amazing eh? Consideirng the fuss so many crybabies kicked up about it a few weeks back. The majority, it seems, who hadn&#8217;t even got the product or been exposed to its DRM!</p>
<p>An anecdotal contrast: When Halflife 2 came out it was attached to your Steam account. Even the boxed version. My friend bought Halflife 2 and (amazing but true) he had no ISP at the time. He was unable to play the game he had bought. He couldn&#8217;t even play it a single time.</p>
<p>So, for some people, their experience with Steam will not be the same as yours.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.vg247.com/2008/10/24/fallout-3-for-pre-order-on-steam-now/comment-page-1/#comment-35650</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 13:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shatner yes it offers security to the publishers and I&#039;m all for that. But its not intrusive to the gamer either it just merely attaches the game to your account nothing more nothing less. I&#039;ve not had a single problem with it and its never once said I can&#039;t install a game on such and such machine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shatner yes it offers security to the publishers and I&#8217;m all for that. But its not intrusive to the gamer either it just merely attaches the game to your account nothing more nothing less. I&#8217;ve not had a single problem with it and its never once said I can&#8217;t install a game on such and such machine.</p>
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		<title>By: Shatner</title>
		<link>http://www.vg247.com/2008/10/24/fallout-3-for-pre-order-on-steam-now/comment-page-1/#comment-35648</link>
		<dc:creator>Shatner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 13:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t have a problem with DRM or the principles of DRM.

But if you hoped to disprove what I just posted by your most recent post I&#039;m sorry to say you&#039;ve done rather the opposite.

Perhaps comparing Steam to GoG.com will help highlight the differences.

Ask yourself this: what do you think the main appeal of Steam is to games publishers? What does it offer them that conventional sales methods don&#039;t?

Hunam, it means that, when attempting to (mis)understand DRM most people refuse to look at what DRM &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; from a perspective other than their own. They&#039;re only concerned with what it means to them rather than the other parties affected by DRM. Then they&#039;ll typically go on to act like a misunderstood victim and get hugely offended if anyone suggest they consider anyone but themselves in their appraisals. Heck, just the basic concept of ownership is usually a lost cause in these things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have a problem with DRM or the principles of DRM.</p>
<p>But if you hoped to disprove what I just posted by your most recent post I&#8217;m sorry to say you&#8217;ve done rather the opposite.</p>
<p>Perhaps comparing Steam to GoG.com will help highlight the differences.</p>
<p>Ask yourself this: what do you think the main appeal of Steam is to games publishers? What does it offer them that conventional sales methods don&#8217;t?</p>
<p>Hunam, it means that, when attempting to (mis)understand DRM most people refuse to look at what DRM <i>is</i> from a perspective other than their own. They&#8217;re only concerned with what it means to them rather than the other parties affected by DRM. Then they&#8217;ll typically go on to act like a misunderstood victim and get hugely offended if anyone suggest they consider anyone but themselves in their appraisals. Heck, just the basic concept of ownership is usually a lost cause in these things.</p>
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		<title>By: Hunam</title>
		<link>http://www.vg247.com/2008/10/24/fallout-3-for-pre-order-on-steam-now/comment-page-1/#comment-35647</link>
		<dc:creator>Hunam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 13:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shatner, what does you mean by the self-serving comment?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shatner, what does you mean by the self-serving comment?</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.vg247.com/2008/10/24/fallout-3-for-pre-order-on-steam-now/comment-page-1/#comment-35646</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 13:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steam doesn&#039;t limit your installs or how many machines it can be installed on. Yes it attaches the game to your account but its hardly anything to get up and arms about. I have 3 computers and all my steam games are installed on all of them and I&#039;ve installed those games multiple times in the past.

Steam to me is a no hassle good priced service.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steam doesn&#8217;t limit your installs or how many machines it can be installed on. Yes it attaches the game to your account but its hardly anything to get up and arms about. I have 3 computers and all my steam games are installed on all of them and I&#8217;ve installed those games multiple times in the past.</p>
<p>Steam to me is a no hassle good priced service.</p>
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		<title>By: deanimate</title>
		<link>http://www.vg247.com/2008/10/24/fallout-3-for-pre-order-on-steam-now/comment-page-1/#comment-35645</link>
		<dc:creator>deanimate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 13:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Disasterful Rabbit Mage?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Disasterful Rabbit Mage?</p>
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		<title>By: Shatner</title>
		<link>http://www.vg247.com/2008/10/24/fallout-3-for-pre-order-on-steam-now/comment-page-1/#comment-35642</link>
		<dc:creator>Shatner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 13:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, the entire CONCEPT of Steam is DRM. It&#039;s just fluffily hidden amongst other stuff.

People&#039;s understanding of what DRM actually is (in particular the &quot;R&quot; bit) is woefully poor and generally conducted from a self-serving perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, the entire CONCEPT of Steam is DRM. It&#8217;s just fluffily hidden amongst other stuff.</p>
<p>People&#8217;s understanding of what DRM actually is (in particular the &#8220;R&#8221; bit) is woefully poor and generally conducted from a self-serving perspective.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.vg247.com/2008/10/24/fallout-3-for-pre-order-on-steam-now/comment-page-1/#comment-35637</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 13:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Gekidami: Or we just see that not only is steam got decent prices its instant and doesn&#039;t come with some crappy DRM on a disc. 

Unlimited installs plus games are automatically updated if updates are available. Steam really is less hassle than getting it from a store.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Gekidami: Or we just see that not only is steam got decent prices its instant and doesn&#8217;t come with some crappy DRM on a disc. </p>
<p>Unlimited installs plus games are automatically updated if updates are available. Steam really is less hassle than getting it from a store.</p>
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		<title>By: Gekidami</title>
		<link>http://www.vg247.com/2008/10/24/fallout-3-for-pre-order-on-steam-now/comment-page-1/#comment-35629</link>
		<dc:creator>Gekidami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 09:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re all just to lazy to go to the store lol.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re all just to lazy to go to the store lol.</p>
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		<title>By: Psychotext</title>
		<link>http://www.vg247.com/2008/10/24/fallout-3-for-pre-order-on-steam-now/comment-page-1/#comment-35611</link>
		<dc:creator>Psychotext</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 21:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I do end up buying it, I&#039;ll get it on Steam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I do end up buying it, I&#8217;ll get it on Steam.</p>
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		<title>By: Arubiano</title>
		<link>http://www.vg247.com/2008/10/24/fallout-3-for-pre-order-on-steam-now/comment-page-1/#comment-35610</link>
		<dc:creator>Arubiano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 21:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I buy all my games through steam now.
And no need for DVD and/ or DRM and/or go to a store.
wonderfull stuff really.

ow yeah, Fallout 3 has been added to your games list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I buy all my games through steam now.<br />
And no need for DVD and/ or DRM and/or go to a store.<br />
wonderfull stuff really.</p>
<p>ow yeah, Fallout 3 has been added to your games list.</p>
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		<title>By: Gekidami</title>
		<link>http://www.vg247.com/2008/10/24/fallout-3-for-pre-order-on-steam-now/comment-page-1/#comment-35607</link>
		<dc:creator>Gekidami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 20:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bah, i&#039;ll be picking it up as a solid copy, CE to boot. Full games thru digital distribution; it just isnt right...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bah, i&#8217;ll be picking it up as a solid copy, CE to boot. Full games thru digital distribution; it just isnt right&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tejstar</title>
		<link>http://www.vg247.com/2008/10/24/fallout-3-for-pre-order-on-steam-now/comment-page-1/#comment-35605</link>
		<dc:creator>Tejstar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 20:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Far Cry 2 is also available on Steam too - for us Europeans!

Seems like the only game from Ubisoft, but it&#039;s a start!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Far Cry 2 is also available on Steam too &#8211; for us Europeans!</p>
<p>Seems like the only game from Ubisoft, but it&#8217;s a start!</p>
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