OK, you say I’m a bullshitter. Please disprove any of the information I have stated.

I guess it should be easy for someone of your caliber

/ends

Where did I make demands of others to be treated politely?

You, on the other hand, have jumped in to this, you’ve not bothered with the actual topic being discussed, you’ve just chosen a side and, in one breath, chastised me for not being polite to someone whilst, in the other breath insulted me and called me a cunt.

That, sir, is hypocrisy.

Based on your understanding of hypocrisy and your inability to see points proven in black and white simply because they substantiate what I happen to have said rather than the horse you chose to back, I don’t particularly feel compelled to jump through your little hoops. Based on evidence of your comments, you’ll only see what you choose to see and ignore the rest (mental ignore list – OH NOES!)

Last time I checked, I wasn’t answerable to anonymous hypocrites, bullshitters, pirates and liars on the internet.

I’ll tell you this for free: I know I’m right. And that’s good enough for me. If you can’t handle that then that’s your problem.

I do so enjoy people who choose wilful ignorance because they either can’t accept facts that go against their guesswork and bias or because they’re not presented in the appropriate sugar coating they want.

I’ve never really seen how declaring (wilful) ignorance is meant to be seen as a commendable debating gesture.

And, DUH, yes, if you make a comment about me then I’m likely to reply. It’s basic social behaviour. You’re not some internet mastermind by addressing me directly and then predicting I’ll reply!

Really, a lot of you need to stop giving yourselves so much credit for stating the obvious!

“I have very strong feelings against the notion that WHO says something makes a difference to the validity of WHAT they say.”

So because /you say/ something is a fact then it’s a fact – someone who has a different opinion is, however, a biased moronic bullshitting lying plank amongst other things gleaned from your “witty ripostes” further up this page.

“Something tells me David has never ever programmed a modern videogame.”

Like I say – back it up or shut up. You imply you have the knowledge – I think you’re bullshitting. And according to your logic, I guess that’s a fact because I trust my own opinions more than I do yours.

Feel free to reply – I have gathered so far that you have an inability to leave the next comment blank. I however have added you to my mental ignore list with the many other obvious twats I have come across on the internet.

I have very strong feelings against the notion that WHO says something makes a difference to the validity of WHAT they say.

Personally, I see something said and it makes no difference to me who says it. Something isn’t more truthful or less truthful if uttered by one person than if it was uttered by another.

I don’t need to justify who I am for my comments to hold any weight. If you can tear your emotive interpretations away from this and simply look at the detail of the statement given (including some from some chap who made some Metal Gear game or something) you’ll find that my statements hold a lot more water and have been far better substantiated than most others.

Of course, I’m in a fortunate position where I don’t have to choose a side to support based on HOW something was said. In certain instances I’ve enough knowledge to KNOW whether someone is making up rubbish or not – no matter how politely or aggressively they may say it. If you’re not so well equipped than I can see how you may have to resort to picking a side by more arbitrary means.

By all means, BraveArse, argue for internet manners as much as you like. But doing so in the form of an attack on someone you don’t know and calling them a cunt makes you nothing more than a hypocrite.

Bit of an own-goal, don’t you think?

Just so you know, I have as much of a high regard for hypocrites as I do for bullshitters.

Have a nice day!

Internet morals? the only difference between internet conversations and real life ones is that you’d have been punched in the face several times for saying what you did here in the “real world*”. People are people regardless of whether they’re on the internet or not. I’m guessing you’re a cunt offline too. I’d guess it was aspergers but I’m going to put a tenner on plain old sociopath for an even bet.

*you know the one where people have jobs? Your posting rate suggests you don’t live in that one.

Admins… what’s the highest number of comments on an article so far?

I am not getting involved. But it’s true, I’d love to be involved.

Yeah. I find it’s better than evading anything that gets said by using rhetorical questions.

Whilst I don’t know the specifics of M/N/S’s manufacturing costs, it’s not unreasonable to assume that a multi-disc game costs more to manufacture (and box) than a single disc game.

I can’t imagine any reason why M/N/S wouldn’t pass that cost onto the publisher.

BraveArse:
I could say there’s no call for ignorant people spreading misinformation and lies. In fact, there’s many calls for precisely the opposite. There’s certainly no call for liars to get offensive and aggressive when their lies and ignorance get shown to be lies and ignorance rather than the universal truths they would like their ramblings to be regarded as. Yet that’s precisely what’s happened here.

Get on your high horses about the sanctity of being polite to liars and bullshitters. I don’t really care. It’s not like they’re an endangered species is it?

Internet morals, so funny

Really, this is what you are going with?

Pat – any chance of an ignore button? I’d rather not read malicious badgering and harassment on a site of this calibre. It’d be nice to think he was just pissing in the wind rather than fuelling his own self-important wankathon. I couldn’t give a fuck who’s right here – there’s no call for Shatner’s treatment of David. It’s just fucking wrong.

So I wonder if this really is just the inherent cost of manufacture increasing for multiple discs or there is some sort of penalty to discourage multiple disc usage.

At the end of development a publisher submits their code and production materials to the platform holder (M/N/S) along with all documentation, video playthroughs etc etc. M/N/Ss will check and approve all the materials (game testing/bug testing/standards checking – to make sure it looks on on a 14″ screen) and then THEY will manufacture it based on the quantities ordered by the publisher.

If all publishers could manufacture their own retail units then they would. But then the console manufacturer would lose most of its control over the software revenue.

In the period running up to holiday season, the manufacturing schedules get very very full indeed. A publisher can have massive problems if they miss their manufacturing slot for their game (maybe it failed standards checking and needs to be resubmitted – costing around 2 weeks time). If they miss their manufacturing slot and there’s no space available for months the game won’t be manufactured.

In development, summertime is actually hugely busy. That’s when many Xmas games are going through crunch time because they need to be submitted around September or October time ready for the holiday season. Thanksgiving is typically the most significant retail holiday season in the west.

You may remember, years back, that Nintendo got very very pissy at Codemasters in the US when they manufactured their own cartridges to run on the NES console. They tried to get the practice stopped as these were not ‘officially licenced’ product that was running on their machines.

People who try to lie are the ones I regard as initial offenders.

You see it your way because it suits you. I like manners too. But I’m not going to be polite to someone that being insulting and offensive to me in the first place.

“Throwing the first punch” is also a needlessly melodramatic term. Let’s NOT try to inject any unnecessary drama into this Hunam.

I must admit that I’ve never had any involvement with this sort of thing though so I’m only going by what I’ve been told.

David, you’re full of it. You’ve been shown to be full of bullshit (not just from me but from others) and now you’re going to whimper around trying to act like some mauled victim. You tried to distract from the fact that you were wrong by making snide remarks at me from your very first response.

I see people like you feeding misinformation everywhere because your bias and favouritism eclipse your ability to think or reason or pay any attention to FACTS that don’t support your little agenda.

There’s a huge gulf of understanding between how things are and how people THINK things are because of people like you spreading nonsensical biased ramblings around and acting like you know things when you’re just making up stuff as you go along.

People like you do damage to this culture. I admire your passion but the way you express it is pathetic.

But, I’m sure you’ll go around spewing more made-up bullshit when it suits you and then shrug your shoulders and act like you’re a victim the next time you’re found out about it.

I don’t respect liars or people that deliberately spread misinformation. I can’t say I care for people that DO respect such characteristics either.

Try bullshitting less in future and I’m sure you’ll find me a perfectly agreeable person.

why should I apologise to you when you’re the one with the problem not me.

They’re obviously not going to waive the standard licence fee (as you say, it’s how they make money). But if this extra fee per disc exists, they’d be sure enough to ignore that.

If I’m wrong about something I’ll apologise. Which is more than our friend David has managed to do.

I’m firm but fair. I don’t see why I should treat rude, idiotic, ignorant fanboys with any respect.

I make no apologies for being right.

I’d have thought that the greater the potential revenue due to units manufactured the less likely they are to waive the fee.

I know bragging rights are the most precious commodity on the internet, but in business I think they prefer $$$

iD only bitched about them to try and generate the same effect. And it’ll probably work.