Source: “Brand new” Rockstar IP “may never see light of day”

‘Big game developer working on something new which may not see the light of day’

Shock horror? This happens all the time.

I doubt RN commits teams to creating brand new IPs every day of the week, tbh.

Well it says a new IP, I’m guessing its just a new concept.

Developers with large amounts of cash are always creating new concepts/prototypes and ideas, its part of the development process and those who have the luxury with tons of cash do them all the time.

I’m with Newbie101.

Developers are typically prototyping and concepting non-stop. Some of these efforts become tangible projects, most will never ever be more than a one-sheet and some concepts.

Substance free, vacuous rumour from anonymous sources with no accountability and no proof of worth one way or another does not equal anything newsworthy.

Save it for April 1st.

MAX PAYNE 3?

Wow, some news I’ve never heard before, that’s quite interesting.

[Edit] Oh, it was only reported today, that makes more sense.

Yeah I agree with Newbie101 as well this happens a lot even Rockstar has to do prototyping/pre-production you’d be shocked to learn of of many new IP’s and sequels to old favs end up getting canned even after making it past prototype stage.

Gamoc – Max Payne isn’t a new IP though there have been long standing rumours that a Max Payne 3 is in development which may or may not be a tie in to the film (so it wouldn’t really be called MaxP3 at retail). Bizarrely there was even talk that there would be a “proper” Max Payne 3 and a Max Payne movie tie in game as well.

Shatner – You’re back! And still you can’t understand the concept of people telling me things in private so they go onto the internet!

*readies for 6,000-word terresponse*

Newbie101: He says “new IP”, you make that “new concepts”, then you complain it’s not really news about new IP?

Whatever Rockstar comes up with, I’ll look into it. No other developer is worth it’s money like them.

well wz, according to the original article you may never get the chance to see it. So IP or concept? The point is moot really.

Oh sorry, it wasnt really a complaint.

New IP, new concepts, its all the same thing really in development terms. My point (and many afterwards) was this happens with all games companies all over the world, if news was reported on the amount of new IP/concepts that don’t make it to release, we would be here all day reporting it….

Sorry Pat,

It reads like bullshit. It’s totally unremarkable news that amounts to absolutely nothing whatsoever. All developers do this. The only reason this stands out because it’s a developer with a headline grabbing name. If you speak to most developers you’ll find the same claim applies.

The lure of ‘Rockstar Games’ ‘anonymity’ and ‘choosing to speak to VG247′ may sway you but it’s a total non event of a non event. I don’t care how excited you are or how much you want to suggest I just don’t understand. This still amounts to vapourware and empty sensationalism and you know it.

Don’t attempt to single me out just because I’m not going to fawn and gawp at The Emperor’s New Clothes.

I’m getting a sense of deja vu here. I’ll keep my excitement minimal until more details emerge. Last time it turned out to be Table Tennis …

Shatner – I’m not singling anyone out, you nutter. I was very specifically told this stuff last week. When the EGM rumour came out it was obviously just more than “vapourware,” and to be honest, the person that told me this stuff would never, ever fuck me about.

Quite how you think Rockstar North greenlighting a brand new IP isn’t newsworthy is baffling to me. You know what it means for a developer to put a team onto something. It isn’t a concept: it’s a new IP. From the people that make the biggest game ever created. Small beans, obviously.

Do you think this was worth publishing?

Keep it up, by the way. You’d be astonished at the “calibre” of person using the name “shatner” in private after your performance in that PS4 thread

I think it’s probably more than just myth too. Sony made some official announcements about this last year:

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6175813.html

For someone who claims not to single people out, you’re doing an excellent job of singling someone out. Hell, you even managed it in the same sentence as your initial denial.

And, let’s get this straight: Rockstar greenlighting a new IP would be newsworthy indeed. A nice attempt at convoluting the ‘news’ you’ve run with. The story here is that an unannounced IP isn’t being greenlit and isn’t going into further development.

Not that any concrete claim is made one way or another by anyone of any worth. But, hey, let’s just believe every scrap of ‘news’ posted without question like good little drones!

You’re attempting to make a story out of something that is, quite literally, nothing.

It’s vapourous. It tells nobody anything tangible but it gets a nice headline on your website. Good for you.

And, on top of that, you’re making snippy remarks towards your readership too. Good call!

Well, the story is that it’s being worked on by Rockstar North, but not greenlit by “Rockstar”. Think about it.

What I really like is that you assume something is “nothing” just because you don’t know anything about it.

You don’t have to believe it, obviously. Oddly, though, it seems you’ve completely ignored my question on this. Almost as if you’re trolling, really. Weird how you never say anything positive about any of the stories, isn’t it?

Nice to have you back, anyway

No, I’m assuming it’s nothing because shit like this happens every day at every developer. It’s as special as you drafting a news story to be posted later and, maybe, thinking twice about posting it.

It’s a complete non event. Everyone does it. Just because you don’t know that everyone does it doesn’t make it special. It certainly doesn’t make it newsworthy. And that you’ve only noticed a developer doing it (well, you didn’t notice, someone told you and you chose to believe them and run with a ‘story’) when a big sexy headline grabbing developer name like Rockstar does it says plenty about how in touch with the day-to-day development process you probably are.

As for your question, it’s apples and oranges. The article you linked to mentions specific names of specific people as the source of the information the story is based on. It makes quite a difference to the credibility of the information when someone is actually willing to put their name to it. But then, as I’ve noticed before Pat, you have no problem naming names when it suits you and keeping people anonymous when it doesn’t.

And, on the topic of trolling, it seems that it’s flared up again thanks to a reference you chose to make but instead of genuinely caring about trolling you’d prefer to raise it as a way of attempting to dismiss one person’s point of view rather than dealing with the real trolling that’s going on in another corner of your site. That’s a nice flexible application of principles you seem to have.

And I was never away. I’ve told you that when I have no comment to make I make no comment. But it’s always nice to be made to feel so welcome. Thanks.

There’s no mention of the name of any source in that story. Look again. And yet using an unnamed source in that instance was acceptable. Why? I’d say “flexible application of principles” is probably something you know a huge amount about.

Your name is on your bloody website, linked to from your posts. How is that my fault? Don’t come moaning to me when you run into trouble. Say what you like on here, but don’t expect me to bail you out.

Of course I mentioned that PS4 thread. It’s legendary. It’s gone to the top. The best ever. The proper, “That guy went fucking mental, didn’t he?” thread. I’ll read it one day.

And you’re very welcome here. Does my traffic no end of good

Newbie101: I gathered as much as that Rockstar is said to be working on something completely different as before, as in a new franchise or whatever. Think Bully. A new concept, as I understand it, would be in the likes of making GTA a linear 6hrs-to-finish game.

Whatever, I just want to mention again I’d love some more individual games from Rockstar. Bully was freaking awesome, the lack of guns and killing clearly inspired them to a lot of interesting other things to do. Ie. I really enjoy playing ConSumo

Fair enough wz. But I saw this news item like “The sky is blue; NEWS!” as this happens all the time in games developers as successful as rockstar.

You could most probably write a “Valve working on new IP” for example (IMO).

Good to see you’ve not singled anyone out Pat. It’s clear you’re a man of your word.

S’funny though, my name doesn’t appear on internetstalker.com and never has. I guess internet stalkers with an inability to tolerate a difference of opinion are really motivated to ‘win’ on the internet.

And it’s amazing what a news story which projects credibility has versus a story which projects none. I also really like the way you take me to task (not that you’re singling me out or anything) over the things I don’t say or don’t comment on as some sort of point of principle.

It all smacks of making something out of nothing and presenting it as substantial and worthwhile. Which brings us neatly back on topic as to the theme of this news story.

Now, if you can stop making personal attcks aimed at your readers you can spend more time exercising better editorial control over your site’s content. I’m sure we’d all reap the rewards from such an endeavour, don’t you?

And who the fuck are you?

Do you sit at home listening to scratched records, or something?

Sometimes, people tell me things they clearly want broadcast. I put them on the internet. I’m a pawn, Shatner, as, to a certain extent, are all journalists. You single yourself out by behaving the way you do on here, as you well know.

I do tolerate your opinion. I don’t agree with it, as I’m not insane. There’s a huge difference between “tolerance” and “agreement”. It seems very obvious to me that the only person here with a real “tolerance” problem is you.

And I’ll say what I like, thanks. As you can too.

Whilst you continue to criticise my opinion at the expense of all others in the same discussion you protest you’re not singling me out in, I’m afraid it all seems rather empty and hollow.

I also don’t agree with your attempt to absolve yourself of accountability for what you publish.

Your rhetoric of being a mere pawn is very cute. As are your personal attacks. Not that you single anyone out or anything. Right?

But I am accountable. Here I am, talking about it. You’ve got my email address, I think. It’s patrick@videogaming247.com, if you don’t. I don’t sit up in the Gods, do I? I’m arguing with you because you’re being critical and you’re a bit bonkers.

And yes, fair enough. Newbie, if I could genuinely write, “Valve working on new IP” because someone had told me specifically they were, I would. If it’s a big developer, I’d consider it news.

Put it this way. BioWare puts a new team on a big project. No one know what it is. Is that news? Given their pedigree, I would say “yes”. Bear in mind Rockstar North makes GTA, right? Surely, the fact that they’re working on an unannounced game is news?

It’s rhetorical, obviously. It is news. Which is why I post it.

@ Shatner
Enough is enough!
You made your point about the worthiness of this news. We read your thoughts, we agree or disagree, but please stop now, … please!

Quiiick, Pat: fair points

*hugs shatner, touches willy*

Leave willy out of this.

I don’t like being touched.

I’m only 13

shocking!

Well the title you’re probably talking about isn’t the PS3 exclusive. According to Michael Shorrock, SCEA’s 3rd Party Relations Director…Rockstar has been working on the new PS3 exclusive for over a year and it’s a signed deal to develope and Sony to publish the title.

I don’t think Sony would make a deal like that and let it slip.

But Rockstar might let it slip.

I don’t know, I just want to know what all these thigns are.

And whether we may get soem old GTA characters back for it .

la noire >.<

You kid right?

Published by Rockstar. Developed by Team Bondi. Funded by SCEA.

I was most disappointed to find out internetstalker.com isn’t a real website :’(

@ Shatner: It’s totally justifiable for Pat to single you out in his *two-way conversation with you* because you have been singling him out. Not the site, Pat personally, Makes any direct response to you totally fair, IMHO. If you were talking about news sites more generally or on a philosophical level, things’d be different.

What I don’t understand is why you’re not popping up on any of the other newsblogs and spouting your over-opinionated garbage there. I’m sure Mr Crescente wouldn’t take the same considered approach that Pat has – your behaviour would have led to insta-bannings on the likes of Kotaku and Joystiq. Something to bear in mind, eh?

Lastly, we all know who you are, what you do and where you’re from. Personally, I think your behaviour is irresponsible. Do you have nothing better to do? I would’ve thought you’d be too busy for this shit.

I mean, if you ask me, your behaviour is a newsworthy item in itself. Pat certainly wouldn’t have to attribute anything to anonymous sources either. How do you think that’d look: “So-&-so from company such-&-such publicly lambastes gaming journalism”. Didn’t do much for Denis Dyack or Silicon Knights’ rep, did it?

Why can’t you just play nice like the rest of us?

good read that.

You know I actually haven’t read it.

Can’t wait for what rockstar come up with. And people who say they are one hit wonders are wrong. One amazing game admittedly, they proabably won’t top, BUT, they are great developers.