Comments on: The reason behind 360′s RROD: “Microsoft wanted to avoid an ASIC vendor” http://www.vg247.com/2008/06/11/why-xbox-360-was-recalled-microsoft-wanted-to-avoid-an-asic-vendor/ VG247.com Wed, 15 Feb 2012 22:14:29 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Psychotext http://www.vg247.com/2008/06/11/why-xbox-360-was-recalled-microsoft-wanted-to-avoid-an-asic-vendor/comment-page-1/#comment-13446 Psychotext Wed, 11 Jun 2008 13:40:29 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/06/11/why-xbox-360-was-recalled-microsoft-wanted-to-avoid-an-asic-vendor/#comment-13446 Yeah, Jaspers are going to be hard to find. Partly because of old stock, partly because it's doubtful there will be an easy way to differentiate them and falcons. Yeah, Jaspers are going to be hard to find. Partly because of old stock, partly because it’s doubtful there will be an easy way to differentiate them and falcons.

]]> By: Blerk http://www.vg247.com/2008/06/11/why-xbox-360-was-recalled-microsoft-wanted-to-avoid-an-asic-vendor/comment-page-1/#comment-13442 Blerk Wed, 11 Jun 2008 13:27:37 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/06/11/why-xbox-360-was-recalled-microsoft-wanted-to-avoid-an-asic-vendor/#comment-13442 That's fine. I don't want one yet anyway. I might never want one. But I might. One day. Six months, maybe. Possibly. That’s fine. I don’t want one yet anyway. I might never want one. But I might. One day. Six months, maybe. Possibly.

]]> By: Whizzo http://www.vg247.com/2008/06/11/why-xbox-360-was-recalled-microsoft-wanted-to-avoid-an-asic-vendor/comment-page-1/#comment-13441 Whizzo Wed, 11 Jun 2008 13:10:45 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/06/11/why-xbox-360-was-recalled-microsoft-wanted-to-avoid-an-asic-vendor/#comment-13441 Not until the old ones sell out I would imagine, which could be a while given we're into Summer in the northern hemisphere so console sales aren't going to be that high. Probably the Autumn at the earliest. Not until the old ones sell out I would imagine, which could be a while given we’re into Summer in the northern hemisphere so console sales aren’t going to be that high. Probably the Autumn at the earliest.

]]> By: Blerk http://www.vg247.com/2008/06/11/why-xbox-360-was-recalled-microsoft-wanted-to-avoid-an-asic-vendor/comment-page-1/#comment-13438 Blerk Wed, 11 Jun 2008 13:03:58 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/06/11/why-xbox-360-was-recalled-microsoft-wanted-to-avoid-an-asic-vendor/#comment-13438 When are we likely to see Jasper units on the shop shelves, then? When are we likely to see Jasper units on the shop shelves, then?

]]> By: Whizzo http://www.vg247.com/2008/06/11/why-xbox-360-was-recalled-microsoft-wanted-to-avoid-an-asic-vendor/comment-page-1/#comment-13435 Whizzo Wed, 11 Jun 2008 12:54:35 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/06/11/why-xbox-360-was-recalled-microsoft-wanted-to-avoid-an-asic-vendor/#comment-13435 The CPU had a die shrink to 65nm in the "Falcon", the GPU has the same done in "Jasper", which is now in production. So it should get cooler/quieter/more reliable. Probably. The CPU had a die shrink to 65nm in the “Falcon”, the GPU has the same done in “Jasper”, which is now in production.

So it should get cooler/quieter/more reliable. Probably.

]]> By: Psychotext http://www.vg247.com/2008/06/11/why-xbox-360-was-recalled-microsoft-wanted-to-avoid-an-asic-vendor/comment-page-1/#comment-13434 Psychotext Wed, 11 Jun 2008 12:54:03 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/06/11/why-xbox-360-was-recalled-microsoft-wanted-to-avoid-an-asic-vendor/#comment-13434 Few different versions apparently. Opus: Falcon minus HDMI for replacing RRoD original machines. Jasper: 65nm shrink on the GPU to match the CPU shrink in Falcon. Valhalla: 65nm single die (CPU / GPU). Few different versions apparently.

Opus: Falcon minus HDMI for replacing RRoD original machines.
Jasper: 65nm shrink on the GPU to match the CPU shrink in Falcon.
Valhalla: 65nm single die (CPU / GPU).

]]> By: Blerk http://www.vg247.com/2008/06/11/why-xbox-360-was-recalled-microsoft-wanted-to-avoid-an-asic-vendor/comment-page-1/#comment-13432 Blerk Wed, 11 Jun 2008 12:51:21 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/06/11/why-xbox-360-was-recalled-microsoft-wanted-to-avoid-an-asic-vendor/#comment-13432 Isn't there supposed to be some more revised hardware on the way soon? Or did I imagine that? Isn’t there supposed to be some more revised hardware on the way soon? Or did I imagine that?

]]> By: Psychotext http://www.vg247.com/2008/06/11/why-xbox-360-was-recalled-microsoft-wanted-to-avoid-an-asic-vendor/comment-page-1/#comment-13427 Psychotext Wed, 11 Jun 2008 12:37:28 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/06/11/why-xbox-360-was-recalled-microsoft-wanted-to-avoid-an-asic-vendor/#comment-13427 Tiger: No, that never happened. Would have been nice if it did though. There was an Australian retailer that sent their stock back at the time, but that was apparently related to a bunch of busted drives. Tiger: No, that never happened. Would have been nice if it did though. There was an Australian retailer that sent their stock back at the time, but that was apparently related to a bunch of busted drives.

]]> By: Tiger Walts http://www.vg247.com/2008/06/11/why-xbox-360-was-recalled-microsoft-wanted-to-avoid-an-asic-vendor/comment-page-1/#comment-13426 Tiger Walts Wed, 11 Jun 2008 12:29:40 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/06/11/why-xbox-360-was-recalled-microsoft-wanted-to-avoid-an-asic-vendor/#comment-13426 Maybe I was wrong with the term 'recall' but I'm pretty sure that Zephyr units without the heat-exchange modification were sent back to MS to be upgraded. Maybe I was wrong with the term ‘recall’ but I’m pretty sure that Zephyr units without the heat-exchange modification were sent back to MS to be upgraded.

]]> By: Blerk http://www.vg247.com/2008/06/11/why-xbox-360-was-recalled-microsoft-wanted-to-avoid-an-asic-vendor/comment-page-1/#comment-13405 Blerk Wed, 11 Jun 2008 11:24:51 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/06/11/why-xbox-360-was-recalled-microsoft-wanted-to-avoid-an-asic-vendor/#comment-13405 OMG! Teh revelations! OMG! Teh revelations!

]]> By: Psychotext http://www.vg247.com/2008/06/11/why-xbox-360-was-recalled-microsoft-wanted-to-avoid-an-asic-vendor/comment-page-1/#comment-13401 Psychotext Wed, 11 Jun 2008 11:13:51 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/06/11/why-xbox-360-was-recalled-microsoft-wanted-to-avoid-an-asic-vendor/#comment-13401 Blerk: They are indeed correct that the 360 is a Microsoft product. Blerk: They are indeed correct that the 360 is a Microsoft product.

]]> By: Blerk http://www.vg247.com/2008/06/11/why-xbox-360-was-recalled-microsoft-wanted-to-avoid-an-asic-vendor/comment-page-1/#comment-13391 Blerk Wed, 11 Jun 2008 11:04:25 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/06/11/why-xbox-360-was-recalled-microsoft-wanted-to-avoid-an-asic-vendor/#comment-13391 Is there any bit which is right? Maybe we could salvage something here? :-D Is there any bit which is right? Maybe we could salvage something here? :-D

]]> By: OrphanageExplosion http://www.vg247.com/2008/06/11/why-xbox-360-was-recalled-microsoft-wanted-to-avoid-an-asic-vendor/comment-page-1/#comment-13390 OrphanageExplosion Wed, 11 Jun 2008 11:04:13 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/06/11/why-xbox-360-was-recalled-microsoft-wanted-to-avoid-an-asic-vendor/#comment-13390 Indeed it is. It doesn't really stand up to much scrutiny bearing in mind the modifications (especially the initial ones in the Zephyr unit) made to the machine once RROD became an issue. Indeed it is. It doesn’t really stand up to much scrutiny bearing in mind the modifications (especially the initial ones in the Zephyr unit) made to the machine once RROD became an issue.

]]> By: frod http://www.vg247.com/2008/06/11/why-xbox-360-was-recalled-microsoft-wanted-to-avoid-an-asic-vendor/comment-page-1/#comment-13385 frod Wed, 11 Jun 2008 10:59:12 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/06/11/why-xbox-360-was-recalled-microsoft-wanted-to-avoid-an-asic-vendor/#comment-13385 Just to reiterate, this article is just wrong from the start, middle, and end. Just to reiterate, this article is just wrong from the start, middle, and end.

]]> By: Psychotext http://www.vg247.com/2008/06/11/why-xbox-360-was-recalled-microsoft-wanted-to-avoid-an-asic-vendor/comment-page-1/#comment-13374 Psychotext Wed, 11 Jun 2008 10:12:01 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/06/11/why-xbox-360-was-recalled-microsoft-wanted-to-avoid-an-asic-vendor/#comment-13374 It's not as good as the first book, but it's still interesting. Especially now as you can see where some of their decisions have had a lasting effect. It’s not as good as the first book, but it’s still interesting. Especially now as you can see where some of their decisions have had a lasting effect.

]]> By: patlike http://www.vg247.com/2008/06/11/why-xbox-360-was-recalled-microsoft-wanted-to-avoid-an-asic-vendor/comment-page-1/#comment-13373 patlike Wed, 11 Jun 2008 10:05:53 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/06/11/why-xbox-360-was-recalled-microsoft-wanted-to-avoid-an-asic-vendor/#comment-13373 I've still never read that. I keep meaning to. I’ve still never read that. I keep meaning to.

]]> By: Psychotext http://www.vg247.com/2008/06/11/why-xbox-360-was-recalled-microsoft-wanted-to-avoid-an-asic-vendor/comment-page-1/#comment-13372 Psychotext Wed, 11 Jun 2008 10:01:09 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/06/11/why-xbox-360-was-recalled-microsoft-wanted-to-avoid-an-asic-vendor/#comment-13372 By the way... if anyone wants to know more about this I would read "The Xbox 360 Uncloaked" by Dean Takahashi. Interesting reading if you're interested in this sort of thing. By the way… if anyone wants to know more about this I would read “The Xbox 360 Uncloaked” by Dean Takahashi. Interesting reading if you’re interested in this sort of thing.

]]> By: patlike http://www.vg247.com/2008/06/11/why-xbox-360-was-recalled-microsoft-wanted-to-avoid-an-asic-vendor/comment-page-1/#comment-13370 patlike Wed, 11 Jun 2008 09:56:01 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/06/11/why-xbox-360-was-recalled-microsoft-wanted-to-avoid-an-asic-vendor/#comment-13370 I think it's OK to change the headline: it is actually incorrect. You're right, it was never recalled. They just extended the warrantee. I think it’s OK to change the headline: it is actually incorrect. You’re right, it was never recalled. They just extended the warrantee.

]]> By: Whizzo http://www.vg247.com/2008/06/11/why-xbox-360-was-recalled-microsoft-wanted-to-avoid-an-asic-vendor/comment-page-1/#comment-13369 Whizzo Wed, 11 Jun 2008 09:54:20 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/06/11/why-xbox-360-was-recalled-microsoft-wanted-to-avoid-an-asic-vendor/#comment-13369 I'm amazed EE Times ever published it, it's like the ramblings of the pub drunk who doesn't appear to know anything about the subject he's talking about but proclaims to be an expert. Gartner needs a better chief analyst if that's the BS their current one spouts. I’m amazed EE Times ever published it, it’s like the ramblings of the pub drunk who doesn’t appear to know anything about the subject he’s talking about but proclaims to be an expert.

Gartner needs a better chief analyst if that’s the BS their current one spouts.

]]> By: Psychotext http://www.vg247.com/2008/06/11/why-xbox-360-was-recalled-microsoft-wanted-to-avoid-an-asic-vendor/comment-page-1/#comment-13368 Psychotext Wed, 11 Jun 2008 09:51:42 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/06/11/why-xbox-360-was-recalled-microsoft-wanted-to-avoid-an-asic-vendor/#comment-13368 In fairness, it's what they use over on the article. It's just that the article is all sorts of un-factchecked wrong. =) In fairness, it’s what they use over on the article. It’s just that the article is all sorts of un-factchecked wrong. =)

]]> By: patlike http://www.vg247.com/2008/06/11/why-xbox-360-was-recalled-microsoft-wanted-to-avoid-an-asic-vendor/comment-page-1/#comment-13367 patlike Wed, 11 Jun 2008 09:50:16 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/06/11/why-xbox-360-was-recalled-microsoft-wanted-to-avoid-an-asic-vendor/#comment-13367 "Recall" is the wrong term, you're right. I'll edit it. “Recall” is the wrong term, you’re right. I’ll edit it.

]]> By: Psychotext http://www.vg247.com/2008/06/11/why-xbox-360-was-recalled-microsoft-wanted-to-avoid-an-asic-vendor/comment-page-1/#comment-13366 Psychotext Wed, 11 Jun 2008 09:46:51 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/06/11/why-xbox-360-was-recalled-microsoft-wanted-to-avoid-an-asic-vendor/#comment-13366 haha... you don't know me very well if you think I'm a fanboy Newbie. I hate all the consoles equally, but I hate bullshit more. =) The RRoD / 360 failure rates is just a pet interest of mine. I've been doing stats on it for a while now over at NeoGAF. haha… you don’t know me very well if you think I’m a fanboy Newbie. I hate all the consoles equally, but I hate bullshit more. =)

The RRoD / 360 failure rates is just a pet interest of mine. I’ve been doing stats on it for a while now over at NeoGAF.

]]> By: Newbie101 http://www.vg247.com/2008/06/11/why-xbox-360-was-recalled-microsoft-wanted-to-avoid-an-asic-vendor/comment-page-1/#comment-13365 Newbie101 Wed, 11 Jun 2008 09:43:17 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/06/11/why-xbox-360-was-recalled-microsoft-wanted-to-avoid-an-asic-vendor/#comment-13365 I'm not sure if his right but I've learned in the past always to trust fanboys when theres an article about 'their' console. So... /me trusts Psycotext I’m not sure if his right but I’ve learned in the past always to trust fanboys when theres an article about ‘their’ console.
So…

/me trusts Psycotext

]]> By: Whizzo http://www.vg247.com/2008/06/11/why-xbox-360-was-recalled-microsoft-wanted-to-avoid-an-asic-vendor/comment-page-1/#comment-13364 Whizzo Wed, 11 Jun 2008 09:43:04 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/06/11/why-xbox-360-was-recalled-microsoft-wanted-to-avoid-an-asic-vendor/#comment-13364 The story is total and utter bollocks. The story is total and utter bollocks.

]]> By: Psychotext http://www.vg247.com/2008/06/11/why-xbox-360-was-recalled-microsoft-wanted-to-avoid-an-asic-vendor/comment-page-1/#comment-13362 Psychotext Wed, 11 Jun 2008 09:37:57 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/06/11/why-xbox-360-was-recalled-microsoft-wanted-to-avoid-an-asic-vendor/#comment-13362 In fact... this story is pretty much all wrong. ATI designed the GPU from the start. http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/9487/ATI-Releases-Xbox-360-GPU-Technology-Papers/ In fact… this story is pretty much all wrong. ATI designed the GPU from the start.

http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/9487/ATI-Releases-Xbox-360-GPU-Technology-Papers/

]]> By: Psychotext http://www.vg247.com/2008/06/11/why-xbox-360-was-recalled-microsoft-wanted-to-avoid-an-asic-vendor/comment-page-1/#comment-13361 Psychotext Wed, 11 Jun 2008 09:32:41 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/06/11/why-xbox-360-was-recalled-microsoft-wanted-to-avoid-an-asic-vendor/#comment-13361 Was never recalled at retail either Tiger. Though many people thought it should have been. Besides the fact that if they did recall, it would have done nothing... the problems weren't ironed out until the falcon model which didn't even involve a new GPU - just a die shrunk CPU and motherboard modifications. Was never recalled at retail either Tiger. Though many people thought it should have been. Besides the fact that if they did recall, it would have done nothing… the problems weren’t ironed out until the falcon model which didn’t even involve a new GPU – just a die shrunk CPU and motherboard modifications.

]]> By: Tiger Walts http://www.vg247.com/2008/06/11/why-xbox-360-was-recalled-microsoft-wanted-to-avoid-an-asic-vendor/comment-page-1/#comment-13360 Tiger Walts Wed, 11 Jun 2008 09:31:24 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/06/11/why-xbox-360-was-recalled-microsoft-wanted-to-avoid-an-asic-vendor/#comment-13360 It was recalled at retail level, but not from the consumers. A full recall would have been impossible. The replacement scheme was the best solution until they were manufacturing enough stable units. It was recalled at retail level, but not from the consumers. A full recall would have been impossible. The replacement scheme was the best solution until they were manufacturing enough stable units.

]]> By: Psychotext http://www.vg247.com/2008/06/11/why-xbox-360-was-recalled-microsoft-wanted-to-avoid-an-asic-vendor/comment-page-1/#comment-13359 Psychotext Wed, 11 Jun 2008 09:25:32 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/06/11/why-xbox-360-was-recalled-microsoft-wanted-to-avoid-an-asic-vendor/#comment-13359 You might want to re-consider this news... you know, given that the 360 was never recalled You might want to re-consider this news… you know, given that the 360 was never recalled

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