Comments on: PS3 Firmware 2.40 - In-game XMB, user-music and Trophies will not work with all PS3 titles http://www.vg247.com/2008/05/30/ps3-firmware-240-in-game-xmb-user-music-and-trophies-will-not-work-with-all-ps3-titles/ This is the news Mon, 06 Jul 2009 04:45:00 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: wz http://www.vg247.com/2008/05/30/ps3-firmware-240-in-game-xmb-user-music-and-trophies-will-not-work-with-all-ps3-titles/comment-page-1/#comment-11921 wz Sun, 01 Jun 2008 14:20:26 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/30/ps3-firmware-240-in-game-xmb-user-music-and-trophies-will-not-work-with-all-ps3-titles/#comment-11921 I guess the problem is more related to coding stuff than to actively implementing support for user music / XMB. For example, just think about timing issues when the XMB is opened. Without knowing the PS3 SDK details, I guess a game that uses the normal system time for whatever reason would be screwed up by opening the XMB. The same goes for using the audio subsystem exclusively. So the reason why only newly developed games will support XMB/music might be that Sony published some new SDK version that allows for checking stuff like "XMB open" and "user music playing", and not that every developer has to actively support those features. I guess the problem is more related to coding stuff than to actively implementing support for user music / XMB.

For example, just think about timing issues when the XMB is opened. Without knowing the PS3 SDK details, I guess a game that uses the normal system time for whatever reason would be screwed up by opening the XMB.

The same goes for using the audio subsystem exclusively.

So the reason why only newly developed games will support XMB/music might be that Sony published some new SDK version that allows for checking stuff like “XMB open” and “user music playing”, and not that every developer has to actively support those features.

]]> By: whoelse http://www.vg247.com/2008/05/30/ps3-firmware-240-in-game-xmb-user-music-and-trophies-will-not-work-with-all-ps3-titles/comment-page-1/#comment-11724 whoelse Fri, 30 May 2008 11:24:13 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/30/ps3-firmware-240-in-game-xmb-user-music-and-trophies-will-not-work-with-all-ps3-titles/#comment-11724 Actually Burnout does use a OS screen. Actually Burnout does use a OS screen.

]]> By: scuz http://www.vg247.com/2008/05/30/ps3-firmware-240-in-game-xmb-user-music-and-trophies-will-not-work-with-all-ps3-titles/comment-page-1/#comment-11690 scuz Fri, 30 May 2008 10:25:42 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/30/ps3-firmware-240-in-game-xmb-user-music-and-trophies-will-not-work-with-all-ps3-titles/#comment-11690 still a waiting game then still a waiting game then

]]> By: Blerk http://www.vg247.com/2008/05/30/ps3-firmware-240-in-game-xmb-user-music-and-trophies-will-not-work-with-all-ps3-titles/comment-page-1/#comment-11669 Blerk Fri, 30 May 2008 09:34:42 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/30/ps3-firmware-240-in-game-xmb-user-music-and-trophies-will-not-work-with-all-ps3-titles/#comment-11669 I guess it depends on whether the 'sound-playing' bit of the OS was already loaded before or whether it now needs to be patched in when it previously wasn't. If you see what I mean. I guess it depends on whether the ’sound-playing’ bit of the OS was already loaded before or whether it now needs to be patched in when it previously wasn’t. If you see what I mean.

]]> By: Psychotext http://www.vg247.com/2008/05/30/ps3-firmware-240-in-game-xmb-user-music-and-trophies-will-not-work-with-all-ps3-titles/comment-page-1/#comment-11667 Psychotext Fri, 30 May 2008 09:32:11 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/30/ps3-firmware-240-in-game-xmb-user-music-and-trophies-will-not-work-with-all-ps3-titles/#comment-11667 I would like to find out the memory budget on these features. I know they've trimmed the OS quite a lot but I'm guessing that custom soundtracks will take up a fair chunk if you choose to use it. I would like to find out the memory budget on these features. I know they’ve trimmed the OS quite a lot but I’m guessing that custom soundtracks will take up a fair chunk if you choose to use it.

]]> By: Blerk http://www.vg247.com/2008/05/30/ps3-firmware-240-in-game-xmb-user-music-and-trophies-will-not-work-with-all-ps3-titles/comment-page-1/#comment-11666 Blerk Fri, 30 May 2008 09:28:01 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/30/ps3-firmware-240-in-game-xmb-user-music-and-trophies-will-not-work-with-all-ps3-titles/#comment-11666 Yes, they really ought to have paid more attention to what Microsoft was doing in the run-up to the PS3 launch rather than fire-fighting it all in after the event. Now... where's that fucking DualShock3, SCEE? Yes, they really ought to have paid more attention to what Microsoft was doing in the run-up to the PS3 launch rather than fire-fighting it all in after the event.

Now… where’s that fucking DualShock3, SCEE?

]]> By: OrphanageExplosion http://www.vg247.com/2008/05/30/ps3-firmware-240-in-game-xmb-user-music-and-trophies-will-not-work-with-all-ps3-titles/comment-page-1/#comment-11665 OrphanageExplosion Fri, 30 May 2008 09:26:15 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/30/ps3-firmware-240-in-game-xmb-user-music-and-trophies-will-not-work-with-all-ps3-titles/#comment-11665 Patches are trivial - you'd think that in most cases it might be as simple as taking the existing codebase and recompiling it in the new development environment. The time it takes for Sony to approve them and get on the PSN are the real issue. I think this whole situation is one of those things where there'll be a 1-2 months of confusion, then everything will work with everything. That time period would also have Sony well-positioned for the Q4 mega-selling season. Seems to me that Sony is making the best of a bad job really. All of this functionality was in Xbox 360 at launch - why it's taken quite so long to actually get done is mystery straight from the files of Arthur C Clarke. Patches are trivial - you’d think that in most cases it might be as simple as taking the existing codebase and recompiling it in the new development environment.

The time it takes for Sony to approve them and get on the PSN are the real issue.

I think this whole situation is one of those things where there’ll be a 1-2 months of confusion, then everything will work with everything. That time period would also have Sony well-positioned for the Q4 mega-selling season.

Seems to me that Sony is making the best of a bad job really. All of this functionality was in Xbox 360 at launch - why it’s taken quite so long to actually get done is mystery straight from the files of Arthur C Clarke.

]]> By: patlike http://www.vg247.com/2008/05/30/ps3-firmware-240-in-game-xmb-user-music-and-trophies-will-not-work-with-all-ps3-titles/comment-page-1/#comment-11664 patlike Fri, 30 May 2008 09:25:15 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/30/ps3-firmware-240-in-game-xmb-user-music-and-trophies-will-not-work-with-all-ps3-titles/#comment-11664 That makes a lot of sense. I'll consider myself pwned. That makes a lot of sense. I’ll consider myself pwned.

]]> By: Blerk http://www.vg247.com/2008/05/30/ps3-firmware-240-in-game-xmb-user-music-and-trophies-will-not-work-with-all-ps3-titles/comment-page-1/#comment-11663 Blerk Fri, 30 May 2008 09:23:50 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/30/ps3-firmware-240-in-game-xmb-user-music-and-trophies-will-not-work-with-all-ps3-titles/#comment-11663 Not necessarily. You're basically handing control of music-playing over to the PS3's firmware. If a company has implemented their own sound-playing routines, etc. then there may be all kinds of issues switching it over - timing, for one. Plus the PS3's firmware might not be able to play the game's own music files, so you'd basically be supporting two different solutions at once. Not necessarily. You’re basically handing control of music-playing over to the PS3’s firmware. If a company has implemented their own sound-playing routines, etc. then there may be all kinds of issues switching it over - timing, for one. Plus the PS3’s firmware might not be able to play the game’s own music files, so you’d basically be supporting two different solutions at once.

]]> By: Daniel Plainview http://www.vg247.com/2008/05/30/ps3-firmware-240-in-game-xmb-user-music-and-trophies-will-not-work-with-all-ps3-titles/comment-page-1/#comment-11662 Daniel Plainview Fri, 30 May 2008 09:22:47 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/30/ps3-firmware-240-in-game-xmb-user-music-and-trophies-will-not-work-with-all-ps3-titles/#comment-11662 also uncharted had it's own internal achievements which o doubt will carry over easily. also uncharted had it’s own internal achievements which o doubt will carry over easily.

]]> By: patlike http://www.vg247.com/2008/05/30/ps3-firmware-240-in-game-xmb-user-music-and-trophies-will-not-work-with-all-ps3-titles/comment-page-1/#comment-11661 patlike Fri, 30 May 2008 09:21:44 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/30/ps3-firmware-240-in-game-xmb-user-music-and-trophies-will-not-work-with-all-ps3-titles/#comment-11661 How hard can it possibly be to do a little patch, though? It must be a trivial update, surely? How hard can it possibly be to do a little patch, though? It must be a trivial update, surely?

]]> By: Daniel Plainview http://www.vg247.com/2008/05/30/ps3-firmware-240-in-game-xmb-user-music-and-trophies-will-not-work-with-all-ps3-titles/comment-page-1/#comment-11659 Daniel Plainview Fri, 30 May 2008 09:19:29 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/30/ps3-firmware-240-in-game-xmb-user-music-and-trophies-will-not-work-with-all-ps3-titles/#comment-11659 I thought this would be the case, all of Sony's 1st and 2nd parties games will be patched but I wouldn't hold my breath on most of the other devs to release any patches. Criterion will for burnout (I think they already announced custom soundtracks), maybe epic,probably Rockstar Infinity Ward won't . Messaging is all I want I thought this would be the case, all of Sony’s 1st and 2nd parties games will be patched but I wouldn’t hold my breath on most of the other devs to release any patches.

Criterion will for burnout (I think they already announced custom soundtracks), maybe epic,probably Rockstar Infinity Ward won’t .

Messaging is all I want

]]> By: Blerk http://www.vg247.com/2008/05/30/ps3-firmware-240-in-game-xmb-user-music-and-trophies-will-not-work-with-all-ps3-titles/comment-page-1/#comment-11656 Blerk Fri, 30 May 2008 09:17:15 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/30/ps3-firmware-240-in-game-xmb-user-music-and-trophies-will-not-work-with-all-ps3-titles/#comment-11656 The difference is quite simple: Before this, the developers had to implement custom soundtracks, 'achievements', etc. all on their own if they wanted their game to have them. This is what Burnout did. After this, the PS3 firmware itself will offer subsystems to allow these features. So rather than do everything themselves, the developers just need to hook into what's there. Obviously this is fairly straight-forward (you would hope) for future games which will be built with this in mind, for older games you're basically screwed because who can be bothered going back to update their old stuff when there's no money in doing so? The difference is quite simple:

Before this, the developers had to implement custom soundtracks, ‘achievements’, etc. all on their own if they wanted their game to have them. This is what Burnout did.

After this, the PS3 firmware itself will offer subsystems to allow these features. So rather than do everything themselves, the developers just need to hook into what’s there.

Obviously this is fairly straight-forward (you would hope) for future games which will be built with this in mind, for older games you’re basically screwed because who can be bothered going back to update their old stuff when there’s no money in doing so?

]]> By: whoelse http://www.vg247.com/2008/05/30/ps3-firmware-240-in-game-xmb-user-music-and-trophies-will-not-work-with-all-ps3-titles/comment-page-1/#comment-11655 whoelse Fri, 30 May 2008 09:09:56 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/30/ps3-firmware-240-in-game-xmb-user-music-and-trophies-will-not-work-with-all-ps3-titles/#comment-11655 Maybe they should gray out all the stuff you cant use on the XMB otherwise it could get annoying for new people trying to see what they can do. Something doesn't sound right. Games like Burnout already have custom soundtracks implemented by the developer using a special OS screen. So whats different... Maybe they should gray out all the stuff you cant use on the XMB otherwise it could get annoying for new people trying to see what they can do.

Something doesn’t sound right. Games like Burnout already have custom soundtracks implemented by the developer using a special OS screen. So whats different…

]]> By: patlike http://www.vg247.com/2008/05/30/ps3-firmware-240-in-game-xmb-user-music-and-trophies-will-not-work-with-all-ps3-titles/comment-page-1/#comment-11653 patlike Fri, 30 May 2008 09:05:27 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/30/ps3-firmware-240-in-game-xmb-user-music-and-trophies-will-not-work-with-all-ps3-titles/#comment-11653 I suppose you can't just turn the music in the game "off" and have new music over it. Or can you? It would seem not. I suppose you can’t just turn the music in the game “off” and have new music over it. Or can you? It would seem not.

]]> By: Blerk http://www.vg247.com/2008/05/30/ps3-firmware-240-in-game-xmb-user-music-and-trophies-will-not-work-with-all-ps3-titles/comment-page-1/#comment-11649 Blerk Fri, 30 May 2008 08:54:09 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/30/ps3-firmware-240-in-game-xmb-user-music-and-trophies-will-not-work-with-all-ps3-titles/#comment-11649 But if the back-end stuff isn't there, you obviously can't use it. Now it's there it'll probably be (relatively) simple (considering it's Sony) to implement. It's not saying that devs have to do loads of work to implement it in the future, just that they'll have to retro-fit it into their older titles if they want it to appear there. Surely it could never have been any other way? But if the back-end stuff isn’t there, you obviously can’t use it. Now it’s there it’ll probably be (relatively) simple (considering it’s Sony) to implement. It’s not saying that devs have to do loads of work to implement it in the future, just that they’ll have to retro-fit it into their older titles if they want it to appear there. Surely it could never have been any other way?

]]> By: Psychotext http://www.vg247.com/2008/05/30/ps3-firmware-240-in-game-xmb-user-music-and-trophies-will-not-work-with-all-ps3-titles/comment-page-1/#comment-11648 Psychotext Fri, 30 May 2008 08:47:33 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/30/ps3-firmware-240-in-game-xmb-user-music-and-trophies-will-not-work-with-all-ps3-titles/#comment-11648 Blerk: Trophies... obviously. But as soon as you start relying on devs to implement custom soundtracks etc you might as well not have it. I guarantee that a chunk of them will choose the extra memory rather than the features. Blerk: Trophies… obviously. But as soon as you start relying on devs to implement custom soundtracks etc you might as well not have it. I guarantee that a chunk of them will choose the extra memory rather than the features.

]]> By: patlike http://www.vg247.com/2008/05/30/ps3-firmware-240-in-game-xmb-user-music-and-trophies-will-not-work-with-all-ps3-titles/comment-page-1/#comment-11644 patlike Fri, 30 May 2008 08:38:20 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/30/ps3-firmware-240-in-game-xmb-user-music-and-trophies-will-not-work-with-all-ps3-titles/#comment-11644 A lot of people had just sort of assumed that they'd be able to play their own music with their games after the update. Mad, I know ;) A lot of people had just sort of assumed that they’d be able to play their own music with their games after the update. Mad, I know ;)

]]> By: Blerk http://www.vg247.com/2008/05/30/ps3-firmware-240-in-game-xmb-user-music-and-trophies-will-not-work-with-all-ps3-titles/comment-page-1/#comment-11642 Blerk Fri, 30 May 2008 08:36:23 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/30/ps3-firmware-240-in-game-xmb-user-music-and-trophies-will-not-work-with-all-ps3-titles/#comment-11642 Well... duh? Isn't this mostly to be expected? How would old games ever support trophies or user music unless they were changed to do so? Magic? :-D Well… duh? Isn’t this mostly to be expected? How would old games ever support trophies or user music unless they were changed to do so? Magic? :-D

]]> By: Psychotext http://www.vg247.com/2008/05/30/ps3-firmware-240-in-game-xmb-user-music-and-trophies-will-not-work-with-all-ps3-titles/comment-page-1/#comment-11641 Psychotext Fri, 30 May 2008 08:33:20 +0000 http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/05/30/ps3-firmware-240-in-game-xmb-user-music-and-trophies-will-not-work-with-all-ps3-titles/#comment-11641 Well that's... crap. Well that’s… crap.

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