Eurogamer gives MGS4 8/10, IGN 9.9/10

Friday, 30th May 2008 09:37 GMT By Patrick Garratt

Oh Lord. It’s internet-snapping time. Eurogamer’s given Metal Gear Solid 4 8/10, which has a rather Halo-esque ring to it. The score’s in contrast to almost blanket top scores from other publications – including this 9.9/10 from IGN – and is already being twitched over in the review’s comments thread.

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  1. Tonka


    #1 7 years ago
  2. Blerk

    Eurogamer sure do love appearing at the bottom of Metacritic pages.

    #2 7 years ago
  3. patlike

    That’s a sure-fire interquake, right there.

    #3 7 years ago
  4. patlike

    Teh internets are going to go fucking crazy about that.

    #4 7 years ago
  5. mart

    Hehehe, you should see some of the emails we’re getting.

    #5 7 years ago
  6. patlike

    I bet :)

    #6 7 years ago
  7. Psychotext

    The odd thing is I would have reviewed the game in exactly the same way. I love it and I hate it.

    I do notice that EG has now gone from “one of the best reviewers on the net” to “fanboy hacks” in a single review though. Strangely enough it seems to be ardent fans of the game who have had this sudden change of heart.

    #7 7 years ago
  8. Blerk

    I think it’s stupidly difficult to review a game like MGS which is blatantly a love/hate title. There is no middle ground here – you either love MGS and can accept its faults and foibles, or you hate it and use those self-same faults and foibles to batter it. It’s a bit like Smash Bros.

    Ugh. Sorry. I said “Smash Bros”. Now I must shower.

    #8 7 years ago
  9. Blerk

    Incidentally, I am generally ‘meh’ about EG reviews these days. There are so many different reviewers there’s no consistency any more. Back in the good old days when it was basically the editorial team doing them you knew where you were. Now you’ve basically got no idea, and (while we’re being frank) there have been too many eye-brow-raisingly controversial scores of late for my liking. It makes a man suspicious.

    #9 7 years ago
  10. Tonka

    I’m tempted to barge in with a “( isn’t a bad score” comment at this moment. It really isn’t you know. If people could just realize that.

    But I guess everyone was expecting another 10.

    #10 7 years ago
  11. Psychotext

    What amazes me most is that people are so quick to disagree with a score for a game they haven’t played.

    #11 7 years ago
  12. Tejstar

    But why was everyone expecting a 10? From everything I’ve read and seen, what does MGS4 do so radically different from its predecessors? I enjoy the MGS games a lot but imo the Eurogamer review seem fair to me. Too many people get worked up about scores, 8/10 is still a good score and won’t put me off buying it.

    #12 7 years ago
  13. rauper

    Blerk: Actually, we’ve deliberately reduced the number of freelancers on the site for that exact reason – to improve consistency and familiarity with the writers. If you do look at the writers of the reviews over the past couple of months they are all regulars…

    As for controversial scores, that’s your opinion. We’ve never just scored games the same as the metacritic average in order to please everyone all the time – nor do we make them “controversial” for the sake of it – it’s just sometimes a big game comes along like MGS4 that in our writer’s opinion maybe isn’t the 10/10 that everyone is expecting from the hype and suddenly we’re the bad guys :)

    #13 7 years ago
  14. Blerk

    I’m not saying I disagree with the review, by the way. There’s plenty of stuff wrong with the MGS series which would prevent me from giving it top marks. :-D

    It’s good to hear the number of reviewers is coming down. However, regardless of whether it’s “site policy” or not to make reviews controversial, I do sometimes wonder whether freelancers who have no real tie to the site in question deliberately make their reviews more controversial in order to draw attention to themselves and secure more work. I’d prefer it if you didn’t use them at all, tbh.

    #14 7 years ago
  15. DrDamn

    Seems the reviewer set his viewpoint well in the second paragraph. It is that sort of game and if you do feel like that the score seems right. It’s actually how I feel about the series myself. So absolutely a perfectly valid review.

    What I think is more the point is EG choosing someone like that to review the title, and whether or not that was a conscious decision. As I’ve said previously I come here for my news first now. The reason being a over abundance of hit grabbing, flame fanning articles and news stories – which have had a terrible negative affect on the comment threads.

    #15 7 years ago
  16. rauper

    I’m not really sure what you mean by “someone like that” as Oli is one of the best writer’s we’ve got (and he’s not a freelancer btw) –

    #16 7 years ago
  17. Tonka

    Someone over at £G hit the nail on the head.
    8 is a great score for a marmite game.

    I would like to know how the MG series went from the gaming bliss that was MGS to marmite.

    #17 7 years ago
  18. ecu

    The recent Edge preview read like an 8/10 game, but I’m still really surprised. Not that it matters to me, I’m still going to buy it, but I’m still going to wait a few months. PS3 is STILL waiting for that brilliant exclusive.

    #18 7 years ago
  19. trav

    Well, its a better score than the last PS3 exclusive.

    #19 7 years ago
  20. Blerk

    It’s spreading! :-D

    #20 7 years ago
  21. patlike


    #21 7 years ago
  22. DrDamn

    It wasn’t meant as a detrimental comment about the reviewer – I share many of his views of the game series. Simply that as someone who has that view on the series he was always likely to give a more controversial score.

    #22 7 years ago
  23. patlike

    I honestly don’t think 8′s controversial, personally. I mean, it is a controversial score because it’s lower than everyone else, but opinion’s opinion. Surely 8 says anyone with a passing interest won’t be disappointed?

    #23 7 years ago
  24. Blerk

    The EG thread is like a special kind of brain-dead hell now. The number of people who think an 8 means a game’s shit is quite astonishing. IGN have a lot to answer for. :-D

    #24 7 years ago
  25. patlike

    If it’s not a 10 it’s rubbish, Blerk.

    #25 7 years ago
  26. Blerk

    Obviously. I won’t point out how many “5 or less” games I’ve really enjoyed in the past. :-)

    Equally amusing is the whole “omg MGS is shit PS3 is doomed!” thing, like a review score ever stopped anything that’s been super-hyped from selling. I’m looking at you, Haze! ;-)

    #26 7 years ago
  27. Psychotext

    Blerk: Haze is a different story. They shipped it before people could cancel their preorders. ;)

    #27 7 years ago
  28. absolutezero

    The Metal Gear series has faults, but is the actual game fun enough to get beyond those faults.

    GTA4 is filled with glitches niggles and the same boring progression of missions, its still fun enough that it got its 10.

    Thats my problem with the review. 1 rule for one game and because the reviewer has changed he might have a slightly different view of that rule.

    I also have to say that so much was riding on this game anything less than its being perfect was always going to be seen as a failure by idiots.

    #28 7 years ago
  29. klanger13

    I think what Rauper was asking was why the review was given to someone who wasn’t a fan of the series? To me it makes a lot of sense as that the way the review is a little more useful – most fans will probably buy it anyway. I’d actually like to see them do that more often. Some other sites even have ‘another take’ on the game along with it.

    #29 7 years ago
  30. Blerk

    I think there’s a lot of mileage in the ‘two points of view’ thing, one view for the fans, one view for everyone else. Trouble is, you can only have one score if you’re intent on making it into Metacritic. :-)

    #30 7 years ago
  31. DrDamn

    Yep two points of view is always good. I saw a review of the Sex in the City film with two scores the other day. For fans = 4/5 for everyone else = 1/5 :-D

    #31 7 years ago
  32. klanger13

    This isn’t aimed at Eurogamer by the way, but I suppose the only real problem with the ‘two points of view’ thing is that perhaps online games journalism attracts a certain type of game lover so there may be no contrasting opinion.

    I often think some of the Wii games have a hard time just because most of the online sites are run by gamers who perhaps aren’t really going to be into that type of game.

    Personally I think that some of the FPS scores are a little bit skewed but then thats just my personal opinion – not mentioning names for fear of flame war :)

    #32 7 years ago
  33. SplatteredHouse

    I read it as a review of a fantastic game, best of breed example, that did things which annoyed Oli. In no way, had the text been read, could you say that he snubbed the quality of the game, or seriously questioned the enjoyment you could get from it. I thought the review, and score were consistent, and the deductions, if you like, were more down to awkward decisions which didn’t sit well with the reviewer.

    If you can overlook the highlighted “flaws”, add one, if you were rampantly determined to get it anyway, then the review really isn’t going to prompt alarm bells, so go ahead and retain that preorder! :)

    #33 7 years ago
  34. morriss

    From what Olly actually said in the review – like you know, the words – I actually think the game will be brilliant. The issues he had with it, aren’t things I can see a hindrance for me personally.

    Anyway, I understand all the arguments, but ultimately it’s an editorial decision. If I was in charge (several reasons why I’m not) I would have given the job to the resident MGS fanboy , if he/she would have given an 8, then something’s definitely up. However, Olly isn’t the biggest fan of the series any, he explains that in the second paragraph, so his review should be read as such.

    #34 7 years ago
  35. Psychotext

    Morriss: Is there any real point in having a fanboy of the game review it? Unless it’s utterly dire it’s going to end up as a 10. I’d much rather someone who was neither here nor there on the franchise reviewing it.

    I’ve said it before, but if you’re a hardcore MGS fan then the reviews are utterly meaningless to you anyway.

    #35 7 years ago
  36. morriss

    Well yeah, because his/her expectations will be extremely high. Just because the word fanboy is mentioned, it doesn’t have to include the term, blinkered. I just mean a big fan of the MGS series.

    I mean, it’s part 4 of a series, of course it’s not going to be anything unbelievably new and different. Same with Halo 3, it’s high-def Halo, that’s it. GoW2 will be Gears of War and a few new bits. Marking stuff down for that seems a bit strange, but it’s Olly’s opinion and he’s entitled to it.

    #36 7 years ago
  37. Shatner

    I’m reminded of the fallout that Zelda: Twilight Princess got following Gamespot’s 8.8 review.

    Holy crap, that was funny.

    I’ve just imported a Dualshock 3 in anticipation of this title. I love the MGS games. I’m actually quite disappointed the cut-scenes aren’t 100+ minutes yet. Maybe MGS5 will rectify this oversight.

    #37 7 years ago
  38. Elandyll

    Speaking to the people of Eurogamer if they happen to see this, it really was -not- smart to give the MGS4 review to a MGS hater.
    I think people will clearly see where it’s at, just by the end of the review:
    “It’s a crying shame, given how many genuinely classic gaming moments there are here, given the countless exquisite creative touches, but Metal Gear Solid 4 is its own worst enemy. You could not ask for a funnier, cleverer, more ambitious or inspired or over-the-top conclusion to the Metal Gear Solid series, but it’s definitely time to move on.
    We love you, Snake. Don’t come back. ”

    Clearly the game is excellent, from the produciton values to the settings, gameplay and story, but it’s MGS, and would at the very least get a 9/10, but the guy just can’t bear MGS…

    For the record I have never played a MGS in my life, but given the great reviews the game is getting all accross (ranging from 9.6 to 10/10), I am def. thinking of getting MGS4.

    #38 7 years ago
  39. patlike

    Shatner: mart actually bought a PS3 to play it earlier today. It’s the platform-driving dream made real.

    #39 7 years ago
  40. Psychotext

    Elandyll: MGS hater? Don’t you think that’s just a tad strong?

    I really like MGS games and I don’t want to see Snake come back either. Enough is enough.

    #40 7 years ago
  41. morriss

    Pat: It’s also pretty much the sole reason why I haven’t sold mine.

    #41 7 years ago
  42. Truk

    1000+ in the comments thread. Has anyone dared read any of it?

    #42 7 years ago
  43. morriss

    We’ve only got 958 posts to go to match it! Come on, chaps! Who’s with me?!

    EGbiasedlol etc. etc.

    #43 7 years ago
  44. Nugent

    I don’t know why everyone is/was expecting perfect scores across the board. Metal Gear doesn’t appeal to everyone, period. Heck, I like Metal Gear but haven’t played through all of the ones I’ve bought because I get bogged down by slow portions and then never get back to them.

    The odd thing about the EG review is that its extremely negative; it can’t say anything positive without following it up with something negative. Yet the game still gets an 8/10, which is a good score. The odd thing about the IGN review is that it doesn’t actually say much about the game, but just goes on about how great the game is. Its not really a review, more of a statement.

    #44 7 years ago
  45. Tonka

    The only one who could have anything to gain from a review written by a fan is another fan. For someone on the fence it wouldn’t mean much.

    I find this to be a problem with a lot of gaming reviews. They are tinted by the reviewers awe of Japanese music composer X or character designer Y.

    So to read the words “Then there are those – this reviewer included – for whom Metal Gear Solid is a love it and hate it proposition.” fealt great.

    #45 7 years ago
  46. morriss

    I agree to an extent, he set his stall out from the start, you knew that he wasn’t the series’ biggest fan.

    Again however, the overwhelming majority of people that will be buying the games are fans: it’s MGS number ’4′.

    #46 7 years ago
  47. OrphanageExplosion

    I don’t see the problem with the review. I like to play games, not watch them. I like games with a decent storyline – this apparently doesn’t have a very good one. So why should it automatically get 10/10 then?

    #47 7 years ago
  48. morriss

    I don’t think anyone is saying is should get 10/10.

    #48 7 years ago
  49. OrphanageExplosion

    Well they are… on the basis of what other games – eg GTAIV – scored. And what everyone else is apparently scoring it at.

    Personally I don’t care. I thought MGS was staggeringly good, but find Kojima’s obsession with really crap story-telling to have been the downfall of MGS2.

    #49 7 years ago
  50. morriss

    I mean, no-one ‘on here’ is saying it should have got 10/10. We haven’t played it.

    #50 7 years ago
  51. Psychotext

    No, on reflection… not upset. Perhaps just not pleased.

    #51 7 years ago

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