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More PS3 “Trophies” talk emerges

Thursday, 15th May 2008 09:53 GMT By Patrick Garratt

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Update: This PSU report says the Trophies mentioned here are 2D XMB things, not the 3D Home Trophies we’ve seen in shots. The site claims they’re going to launch in June with Firmware 2.4.

This Kotaku piece brings more evidence that Sony is to add a “Trophy” system to PSN, thought to be similar in set-up to Xbox Live’s Achievements.

A fact sheet from the PixelJunk Eden website clearly shows that the game will feature “Trophy Support”, although there’s no clarification on what this actually is.

The truth will out. It always does.

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33 Comments

  1. Blerk

    There’s no smoke without fire. Two wrongs don’t make a right. A bird in the hand is worth a slap from the missus.

    #1 7 years ago
  2. patlike

    Are we sure this isn’t just the trophy room thing for Home?

    #2 7 years ago
  3. patlike

    Just updated it.

    #3 7 years ago
  4. pjmaybe

    I’d have thought this would be more in line with the achievement system. The PS3 version of The Darkness even features EXACTLY THE SAME Achieve..I mean trophies as the 360 version.

    Dammit, I want my digital willy measuring and I want it noooowwww

    #4 7 years ago
  5. G1GAHURTZ

    Wow!

    Finally!

    #5 7 years ago
  6. morriss

    I don’t get the trophies system. I mean, why have them? It’s basically Sony saying that Achievements are a great idea and this is just a poor copy. Either come up with something original and unique to the system or just drop the idea.

    I mean, that horse has bolted any way now. If you buy an ‘older’ game for PS3 then trophies won’t be enabled. If it wasn’t there at launch, they really shouldn’t bother, imo.

    #6 7 years ago
  7. Blerk

    Why is it a ‘poor’ copy? I thought all the Xboxers loved achievements? If Sony did the same thing then where’s the harm? It’s it’s not broke, etc.

    And it’s hardly too late to implement it. If they’re claiming the PS3′s going to be around for ten years, missing the first year or so isn’t going to be such a big deal. They reintroduced rumble (for some people) without support from older games, after all. And there are always updates.

    Hang on, I seem to be implying that I care. I’ll stop now.

    #7 7 years ago
  8. Psychotext

    I don’t think PS3 owners like achievements. I keep reading on messageboards that they’re a waste of time, only for people that lack imagination, just for epeen and they’re generally shit.

    On another note. Both Sony and MS need to make it so you can actually do something with your gamerscore. I know Sony might be letting you buy furniture in Home with it (joylol) but what they both need is some way of using it to buy the smaller games or some DLC. Give it a stupidly low conversion rate (5k gamerscore = $5 of stuff) and the more obsessive amongst us will buy more games just to get the free stuff. o/

    #8 7 years ago
  9. pjmaybe

    If it WAS done in order to enhance your “home” room then it would make more sense than just having something flat that sits there for people to look up against your profile in the XMB.

    I’ve got this sneaky feeling that the whole bloody thing won’t make it to Home at any rate, and with the way Home’s shaping up it’s just going to end up like Second Life – only any good for emo kids, mouthy americans and perverts.

    #9 7 years ago
  10. Blerk

    It’s funny how stuff you don’t have is shit, isn’t it? Until you have it, that is. Then it’s awesome! :-)

    Achievements are fine. I’ve come around to the idea of them being ‘quite nice to haves’, although it would never be a deal-breaker for me. Gamerscore, however… I remain totally cynical about. A half-baked attempt to encourage people to buy shit just to pump up their score. Tut tut.

    #10 7 years ago
  11. morriss

    It just seems to go against their own ethos. The PS3, according to Sony, is the real deal, the milestone, the pinnacle. It just seems to me that this trophies system is just an after thought after their popularity on the 360. They weren’t part of the original plan, they weren’t implemented out the box.

    It’s the same as the in-game XMB and all the other things that the 360 can do. It’s just making the PS3 look like a 360 mkII.

    They obviously didn’t see trophies and in-game XMB as important otherwise they would’ve been there at launch. Obviously consumers don’t seem to care either as the console is selling very well without these thing implemented.

    I was just hoping they’d come out with something original to really separate the two consoles in terms of features (Blu Ray aside)but it just seems like they’re trying to have the same functionalities as the 360 because of their popularity on that console. 360 owners care about that sort of thing, PS3 owners don’t or else they wouldn’t be going on about how great it is all the time.

    I was just hoping for something more original and unique to the console, something that I couldn’t get on 360. Something that was equally as fun as Achievements but not the same.

    It all just seems to be very “me-too”-ish.

    Home is a good example of something entirely different, but from what I hear it’s very poor atm., and I doubt we’ll see it before the middle of next year anyway.

    #11 7 years ago
  12. G1GAHURTZ

    Achievements are something that the PS3 has really missed if you ask me.

    I, for one, have got into 360 achievements to such a level that I can’t bring myself to play a game that doesn’t have them. I just think to myself, ‘I could spend 30 hours playing this game and get no achievements at the and of it, or I can spend that time boosting my gamerscore.’

    The choice always ends up being a simple one to make.

    When Sony finally get the trophy system out, I might have a bit more of a reason to buy a PS3, which is what I’ve been looking for since the thing first came out.

    #12 7 years ago
  13. Psychotext

    @Blerk: Yeah… that’s just it, gamerscore is utterly pointless right now. I quite like the challenge of achievements but they need to give gamerscore another purpose other than meaningless comparisons.

    I figured with the booting of a bunch of cheaters recently they were heading this way… but who knows.

    #13 7 years ago
  14. Blerk

    Morriss, how can you say customers don’t care about stuff like in-game XMB? When there’s a complaint about it not being there every five minutes? :-D

    I dunno, Sony can’t do right regardless of what they do for some people. They don’t do these things and people complain that they don’t listen. They try to do these things and people complain that they changed their strategy to copy someone else.

    What’s the point in doing ‘new and unique’ features if all people are asking for are achievements and in-game XMB? Shouldn’t they satisfy the people who already bought the machine first? It’s not like they can’t carry on working on other stuff as well. Saying “you can’t have that because Microsoft did it first” would be pretty much cutting off their noses to spite their fanbase.

    #14 7 years ago
  15. morriss

    But their fan-base are buying the console in absolute droves any way. They’re showing they don’t care with their wallet.

    I’d like the 360 to be less noisy, much less noisy, but it didn’t stop me buying another one and is something that I can live with. Same with in-game XMB, people are living without it and buying the console anyway.

    All I’m saying is I really want my PS3 to stand out from my 360 in the way that the Wii does for example. If the PS3 implements everything that some sections of their fanbase has complained about, it’ll be the XBox 360 but with MGS4, LBP and FFXIII… and a Blu Ray player.

    #15 7 years ago
  16. Spiral

    I’m with Blerk on this one. They’re a very nice to have, but hardly essential. It’s just a little bit of acknowledgement that you’ve acheived something, which is always nice to have. I’m a little worried that being calling them trophies means they’re going to make a big deal of them, and that could easily ruin it. A little *BINK* is fine, but a big old Zelda style chest unlocking every time would do my nut in.

    #16 7 years ago
  17. G1GAHURTZ

    How is gamerscore “utterly pointless”???

    Then what’s the point of getting a score in any game???

    If that’s the case, then we all might as well just play through games on easy, complete them, then not tell anyone about it, because it’s all pointless.

    It’s competition. If you’re just not competitive, and spend all your time playing single player games, have no interest in gauging yourself against anyone other person in the world, then I suppose they’re not for you.

    #17 7 years ago
  18. Blerk

    @morriss

    So because they already bought it they don’t matter? They can’t fix the 360 noise levels because it’s a hardware issue. If existing customers say they’d be more satisfied with their machine if Sony added a new software feature then why the hell not? Sure, they could live without it. But if it’s possible to add it in without forcing everyone to rebuy the hardware then why not? In the end it’ll probably sell more games, which earn Sony more money than the hardware ever could.

    The PS3 can never stand out against the 360 like the Wii does because at the end of the day they are pretty much the same thing, done slightly differently.

    #18 7 years ago
  19. Spiral

    It’s the games where the consoles should stand apart really though isn’t it? Even if Sony’s UI becomes exactly the same as Microsofts I’ll still buy a PS3 for MGS and FFXIII. I can understand wanting them to do something different in an attempt to drive innovation, but ignoring things that are good because someone else has already done it seems a bit of a strange thing to do.

    #19 7 years ago
  20. Psychotext

    @Blerk: Technically they could do something about the 360 noise levels in software… but you’d end up looking at triple the loading times and games freaking out because they dropped the DVD speed from 12x to 4x. \o/

    #20 7 years ago
  21. morriss

    I don’t think it will sell more games, Blerk, if I’m honest and of course I can see your argument and in part agree with it. I’m only talking from a personal level anyway. I don’t want achievements on the PS3, I want something different, something interesting, something that’s as good as what MS has done but altogether fresh and new at the same time.

    To me, the whole thing just re-enforces thae fact that the console was rushed and put out before any real R&D was actually done. I mean, people go on about how MS release a new version of Windows barely working and only after 2-3 years of upgrades/patches does it reach an acceptable level of ‘usability’ and the same applies here, I reckon.

    Anyway, don’t listen to me, I’m just bitter at paying shitloads of money for something I never use and don’t have any games for.

    Roll on June the fucking 12th, seriously.

    #21 7 years ago
  22. Psychotext

    @G1GAHURTZ: Gamerscore is utterly pointless because you’re not working from a fixed baseline. If I beat your score in Geometry Wars I know it’s because I did better than you in the game. If I can beat your times in N+ it’s because I’ve worked out some better ways to do the levels. Same goes for any game where I can compare scores, laptimes, ranking etc.

    If I have a higher gamerscore than you it’s probably because I went out and got a bunch of games that take about half hour to get 1k points with.

    #22 7 years ago
  23. Blerk

    But you like achievements on your 360, morriss… why would you ever say you “don’t want them” on the PS3 as well?

    Wouldn’t you like achievements AND some new functionality?

    #23 7 years ago
  24. morriss

    No, Blerk, I wouldn’t.

    When I switch on my PS3 I want something different. I wouldn’t mind them, it’s not like I’ll write a letter complaining about them being on there, it’s just that it’ll make the PS3 feel like 360 mkII, which isn’t the reason I bought it.

    It would be interesting to know how many of the people wanting achievements are multi-platform owners.

    Anyway, I told you not to listen to me didn’t I? :)

    #24 7 years ago
  25. G1GAHURTZ

    @ Psychotext
    That doesn’t work, because when comparing gamerscore, the first thing that I do, and I’d assume that the vast majority of 360 gamers do is compare the actual games.

    So I see that someone has a gamerscore of 50k+. I think, ‘wow, is this just a good gamer, or is he hacking, or what?’

    So I simply compare games. If he has games like King Kong or Lost littering his played games list, then I wouldn’t consider him to be someone to compete against, or gauge myself against.

    But if he had 1k points for COD4, 1k points for C+C, 1k points for Gears of War, etc, then I’d know that this guy’s high score is impressive.

    You can’t just isolate the score from the rest of the entire achievement system and say that it’s pointless, because that’s just not how it works.

    You don’t just get a gamerscore that you can’t see how it was attained. If that was the case, then you might have a point, but it’s not.

    Gamerscore is a small part of the entire achievements system that allows you to see how the score was made, what games it was made on, when the scores were made, if they were online or offline, how many other people have that achievement, what was involved in getting a particular achievement etc, etc, etc.

    If I have 14k points, then it’s just an initial indicator of how much of a gamer I am, rather than my ability. Then within that, it’s possible to see my apparent ability by having a look at my achievement details. You can see my times on N+, or my score on Geometry Wars.

    It’s not pointless, because it’s part of an bigger system that works well enough to make the vast majority of gamers consider LIVE the current pinnacle of online gaming.

    It’s not pointless because Sony knows that 360 gamers like myself won’t consider buying a PS3 without a similar system being in place.

    #25 7 years ago
  26. Blerk

    I can’t listen to you any more morriss, because you’re clearly a nutter. :-D

    I suspect that you’re feeling the pinch because you have both platforms. As far as I can see, there’s very little reason to have both at the minute. Indeed, I would suspect that most hi-def gamers will have one or the other. In that respect, having all the features of your competing platform AND some more of your own would seem to be the best way to win customers. Sony clearly thinks that not having achievements is sending customers Microsoft’s way.

    #26 7 years ago
  27. morriss

    What would be good is if when you clicked on another person’s name, the dash automatically gave you a comparison score based only on the games that you and the other person own.

    Instead of my measly 11k being compared to someone’s 50k, it would be good to see how they’ve faired in the same games that I own. I mean someone with a 50k Gamerscore might have bought every single 360 game there is so that renders his in-game Achievements moot as the only reason he/she has a higher score than me is because they own more games than I do.

    #27 7 years ago
  28. morriss

    Blerk: yep, you’re right. I suppose I wouldn’t be moaning so much if the PS3 had the exclusives that set it aside from its competitor. That’s another reason why I can’t wait for MGS4.

    At last something that won’t be able to be replicated on the 360.

    #28 7 years ago
  29. Psychotext

    @G1GAHURTZ: I see what you’re saying, and I sometimes compare on individual games just to see what they have that I don’t. But the score aspect isn’t important to me there, the individual achievements are.

    I think most people just tend to look at the whole number.

    @Morriss: A like for like comparison feature would be pretty cool. =)

    #29 7 years ago
  30. G1GAHURTZ

    “Instead of my measly 11k being compared to someone’s 50k, it would be good to see how they’ve faired in the same games that I own. I mean someone with a 50k Gamerscore might have bought every single 360 game there is so that renders his in-game Achievements moot as the only reason he/she has a higher score than me is because they own more games than I do.”

    That’s true. It’s a good idea, and I think that a lot of people would like to be able to just compare a total score of similar games.

    But I can see why MS would rather have the total score there too. Because if you want a 50k score too, you have to buy more games…

    #30 7 years ago
  31. ecu

    What would be a good alternative to achievements then? I’m not sure how they could even implement something different. It’s a pretty closed off idea.

    I don’t really care about the whole thing though. Achievements have spoiled my enjoyments of games a little bit, because I’m a bit OCD about perfecting games. Getting all the achievements signals the end of the game for me.

    When I got all 49 achievements in Halo 3, that was the end of it for me, I put the game down and never played it again because it felt like I wasn’t playing for anything any more. However, if achievements weren’t in the game at all, I’d probably have carried on because the game hadn’t put me in a mindset that I was playing for these achievements. In theory, achievements are a great idea, but upon reflection, I don’t think I’m enjoying games as much with them.

    #31 7 years ago
  32. morriss

    If Sony wants to pay me several thousand a year I’ll come up with something new and exciting for them that rivals achievements but is completely different. :)

    #32 7 years ago
  33. G1GAHURTZ

    “If Sony want to pay me several thousand a year I’ll come up with something new and exciting for them that rivals achievements but is completely different.”

    How about… Achievements…

    …but…

    …(and here’s the twist)…

    …in the form of 3D trophies!??

    tee, hee…

    #33 7 years ago

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